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  "thread": {
    "id": 2592,
    "subject": "sins in free live free",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2001-04-18T23:15:35+00:00",
    "last": "2001-04-19T09:39:47+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0318@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2001-04-18T23:15:35+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) sins in free live free",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "James Jordan wrote"
        },
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          "text": "The four main characters each have a besetting sin. These seem to link\nwith four of the Seven Deadly Sins (Pride, Greed, Envy, Anger, Lust,\nGluttony, Sloth).\nFat Candy - gluttony. That's a no-brainer. (Her name links to this also,\nof course.)\nOzzie (Osgood = Oz-Good) Barnes (the salesman) - lust. I think his\nmarriage broke up because of unfaithfulness, though this is not stated.\nStubb (the detective) - pride. He thinks he can handle everything, and has\na \"little man complex\" or \"Napoleon complex.\" As a short man consumed by\nbeing short, he's a \"stub.\"\nMadame Serpentina - witchcraft, perhaps greed as lust for power (the sin\nof the Serpent, Satan). Also, as a gypsy pickpocket she's \"greedy.\" (Note\nthat her name originally was Marie, Mary, but that she has fallen from this\n\"Christian\" name into serving Satan as Madame Serpentina.)\nEach is trapped by his/her sin just before being offered a new life.\nchildren's book is that the protagonist is a eleven-year-old girl. In\nnearly every other way, this book is on an adult level."
        },
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          "text": "As far as I remember from a Wolfe interview, I thought he identified Madame \nSerpentina as pride (she is a haughty wench) and Stubb as Envy.  I think Wolfe \nwaffled a little on identifying Stubb (little man complex seems like envy \nmixed with pride to me).  (Is there a big difference in the Ziesing version of \nthe text?  I can't imagine editing a Wolfe work down by thousands of words.  \nWho knows what subtle details were destroyed?  Only Wolfe. Maybe not even \nhim.)  I readily agree with your analysis of the Wizard of Oz parallels.\nMarc Aramini"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0319@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "2001-04-19T09:39:47+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) sins in free live free",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0030-0318@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, maa32 wrote:\nAs far as I remember from a Wolfe interview, I thought he identified Madame \nSerpentina as pride (she is a haughty wench) and Stubb as Envy.  I think Wolfe \nwaffled a little on identifying Stubb (little man complex seems like envy \nmixed with pride to me).  "
        },
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          "text": "I think the key has to be each one's temptation scene.  Stubb's seems to\nbe appealing to his desire to be thought smart and essential for an\nimportant case (and appealing to the young woman), thus Pride (Envy\ninvolves resenting someone else who has what you don't).  We don't see\nSerpentina's but it seems to have been about giving her a shot at real\nsupernatural power which seems to fit best under Avarice (maybe \"lust for\npower\"?  Or do the Seven Deadlies put that under Avarice and reserve Lust\nfor sexual sins?  Do all sins fit under one of the Seven?).\n\n-Rostrum"
        }
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