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  "thread": {
    "id": 2609,
    "subject": "Old Stories",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2001-04-27T16:42:34+00:00",
    "last": "2001-04-28T10:32:29+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0351@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alex David Groce",
        "address": "alex_groce at gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu"
      },
      "date": "2001-04-27T16:42:34+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Old Stories",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Hey, how hard should I try to track down \"Try and Kill It.\"  Nov. 96\nAsimov's, someone recently compared this to \"The Ziggurat*\" and\nclaimed it was Wolfe in Faulkner territory in conversation; a quick\nnet search reveals it was preliminary Nebula balloted that year, but\nwasn't in _Strange Travelers_ or reprinted elsewhere.  Anyone on the\nlist read it and think it was top-flight Wolfe?\n\nThe story \"Copperhead\" at sfsite is mildly interesting, but mostly\nstrikes me as the kind of thing we usually get from Wolfe when he dips\nbelow novelette length.  It might spark a few more Wolfe-misogyny\ndebates.\n\n\n* which for me says \"high quality work indeed,\" though as we've seen YMMV."
        },
        {
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          "text": "\"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.\" John 8:32\n--\nAlex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu)\nPh.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department\n8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066\nhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0357@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Adam Stephanides",
        "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net"
      },
      "date": "2001-04-28T10:32:29+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Old Stories",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0030-0351@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "on 4/27/01 3:42 PM, Alex David Groce at Alex_Groce at gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nwrote:\nHey, how hard should I try to track down \"Try and Kill It.\"  Nov. 96\nAsimov's, someone recently compared this to \"The Ziggurat*\" and\nclaimed it was Wolfe in Faulkner territory in conversation; a quick\nnet search reveals it was preliminary Nebula balloted that year, but\nwasn't in _Strange Travelers_ or reprinted elsewhere.  Anyone on the\nlist read it and think it was top-flight Wolfe?"
        },
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          "text": "You post inspired me to reread the story.  While I liked it better the\nsecond time, I wouldn't call it top-flight Wolfe.  I didn't much care for\n\"The Ziggurat,\" actually, but \"Try and Kill It\" is much shorter (nineteen\npages) and less thematically rich as far as I can tell.  The protagonist is\none of Wolfe's capable, manly men, which is probably my least favorite\nWolfean type, although he's probably the most tolerable example of this type\nI've read.  (If you are morally opposed to hunting, you probably won't like\nthis story.)  As far as Faulkner goes, it's not like any Faulkner I've read,\nwhich doesn't include the short stories; I suspect the perceived resemblance\nlies in the fact that it's about a man hunting an extraordinary bear.\nWolfe's style is very good, but if there's more to the story than a\nwell-written adventure story, I don't see it.\n\nIncidentally, the issue in which \"Try and Kill It\" appeared has other items\nof interest besides Wolfe, most notably a novella by Gardner Dozois and\nMichael Swanwick.  The bulk of it was written by Dozois (in the 60s), and my\nmemory is that it's very good.  It also contains Bruce Sterling's \"Bicycle\nRepairman, and a Nancy Kress novelette, if you're a Kress fan.\n\n--Adam"
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