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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 2623, "subject": "New Wolfe story online (spoilers for \"Copperhead\")", "messages": 2, "voices": 2, "first": "2001-05-05T23:40:38+00:00", "last": "2001-05-06T10:48:37+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "William Ansley", "address": "wansley at warwick.net" }, "date": "2001-05-05T23:40:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: (whorl) New Wolfe story online (spoilers for \"Copperhead\")", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "First of all this message should really be in the Urth list. I am \ncross posting it in the hope that anyone who replies will just reply \nto Urth." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 10:01 PM -0500 5/4/01, Endymion9 wrote:\nDavid DiGiacomo wrote:\n >>http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/originals/originals_archive/wolfe/wolfe1.h\ntml" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Wow, I hated this story. It had all my least favorite Lupine elements:\nphonetic dialect, misogyny, Christianity, and an incomprehensible ending.\n\nDid anyone like it?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I liked it. Didn't understand the last paragraph but everything else seemed\nfairly straight forward. At least I could figure out the phonetic dialect\nthis time. Many times I didn't know what Pig was saying.\n\nDennis/Endy" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "-----------------------------------\n\"Vhas a groose.\" She turned, and her eyes were the color of heaven, \nand she was the loveliest woman the new President had ever seen. \n\"Nawt lak 'ou. Aw zay, 'ou vhill nawt neffer grawnt offer mee agan.\" \nShe shrugged. \"Dhoss bhoyes, de vhun keels de odder. Aw douh \nnawthing.\"\n-----------------------------------\n\nI could manage to work out what Jane Doe was saying until the last \n(presumably) crucial paragraph of her dialog (quoted above). Perhaps \nyou could elucidate? I think I got most of it, actually. Here's my \n\"translation\":\n\n-----------------------------------\n\"Vhas a groose.\"\n\"Was a [?]\"\n\n\"Nawt lak 'ou. Aw zay, 'ou vhill nawt neffer grawnt offer mee agan.\"\n\"Not like you. I say, you will not never[?] grunt[?] over me again.\"\n\n\"Dhoss bhoyes, de vhun keels de odder. Aw douh nawthing.\"\n\"Those boys, the one kills the other. I do nothing.\"\n-----------------------------------\n\nSo, what is \"groose\"? What about \"neffer\" and \"grawnt\"?\n\nI (and Spectacled Bear) await your reply." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "William Ansley" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Endymion9", "address": "endymion9 at mindspring.com" }, "date": "2001-05-06T10:48:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: (whorl) New Wolfe story online (spoilers for \"Copperhead\")", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "William Ansley communicated:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "-----------------------------------\n\"Vhas a groose.\" She turned, and her eyes were the color of heaven,\nand she was the loveliest woman the new President had ever seen.\n\"Nawt lak 'ou. Aw zay, 'ou vhill nawt neffer grawnt offer mee agan.\"\nShe shrugged. \"Dhoss bhoyes, de vhun keels de odder. Aw douh\nnawthing.\"\n-----------------------------------\n\nI could manage to work out what Jane Doe was saying until the last\n(presumably) crucial paragraph of her dialog (quoted above). Perhaps\nyou could elucidate? I think I got most of it, actually. Here's my\n\"translation\":\n\n-----------------------------------\n\"Vhas a groose.\"\n\"Was a [?]\"\n\n\"Nawt lak 'ou. Aw zay, 'ou vhill nawt neffer grawnt offer mee agan.\"\n\"Not like you. I say, you will not never[?] grunt[?] over me again.\"\n\n\"Dhoss bhoyes, de vhun keels de odder. Aw douh nawthing.\"\n\"Those boys, the one kills the other. I do nothing.\"\n-----------------------------------\n\nSo, what is \"groose\"? What about \"neffer\" and \"grawnt\"?\n\nI (and Spectacled Bear) await your reply." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think you had it correct already. Or at least I saw it the same way.\n\n\"Vhas a groose\" I interpreted as either \"Was a grouse\" which Webster says is\na ground dwelling bird. I was thinking she was calling him a rodent. Or\npossible \"Was gross\". with the a used in the way people used to imitate\nItalian immigrants. \"He was a my friend.\" etc.\n\nNeffer = never as you stated.\ngrawnt = grunt as you stated.\n\nSo the paragraph struck me as\n\nHe was gross. Not like you [whom I like currently].\nI told him he will not ever grunt over me again. [As in I told him he\nwould never have sex with me again.]\n\nEven if I missed a word here or there I could understand Jane Doe's intent.\nWith Pig it was many times the other way around. I could get 3 out of 10\nwords and had no idea if he was talking friendly or threateningly to Horn.\n\n\n\nDennis/Endy\nhttp://home.mindspring.com/~endymion9/index.htm" } ] } ] }