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  "thread": {
    "id": 2636,
    "subject": "The Sidhe",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2001-05-10T14:25:37+00:00",
    "last": "2001-05-10T16:23:00+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0401@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Roy C. Lackey",
        "address": "rclackey at stic.net"
      },
      "date": "2001-05-10T14:25:37+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) The Sidhe",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Rostrum asks:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Btw, what do you see as the incongruity in the Sidhe story in PEACE?<<"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "The basic story told by Wolfe--the children being turned into swans and\ntheir eventual passing--is one of the \"Three Sorrowful Stories of Erin\",\nknown as the \"Fate of the Children of Lêr\" (or \"Lyr\"). In it, the children\nare turned to swans, not by their father in an attempt at immortality, but\nby their wicked, jealous stepmother in an effort to get them out of the way.\nNeither Deirdre (who is the subject of one of the other two \"Sorrowful\nStories\", where she is a sort of Irish Helen), nor Cuchulainn (who belongs\nto another Irish mythological cycle altogether), have anything to do with\nit. In fact, the Milesians forbade any man to harm a swan because of fear of\nharming the children. And there were four of them, not three. The eldest,\nthe girl, was named Finola, and her three brothers were Aed, Fiachra and\nConn.\n\n-Roy"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0402@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "2001-05-10T16:23:00+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) The Sidhe",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0030-0401@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "On Thu, 10 May 2001, Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nRostrum asks:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 3,
          "text": "Btw, what do you see as the incongruity in the Sidhe story in PEACE?<<"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "The basic story told by Wolfe--the children being turned into swans and\ntheir eventual passing--is one of the \"Three Sorrowful Stories of Erin\",\nknown as the \"Fate of the Children of Lêr\" (or \"Lyr\"). In it, the children\nare turned to swans, not by their father in an attempt at immortality, but\nby their wicked, jealous stepmother in an effort to get them out of the way.\nNeither Deirdre (who is the subject of one of the other two \"Sorrowful\nStories\", where she is a sort of Irish Helen), nor Cuchulainn (who belongs\nto another Irish mythological cycle altogether), have anything to do with\nit. In fact, the Milesians forbade any man to harm a swan because of fear of\nharming the children. And there were four of them, not three. The eldest,\nthe girl, was named Finola, and her three brothers were Aed, Fiachra and\nConn."
        },
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          "text": "So, don't keep me in suspense--what happens to the children in the\noriginal version?  Does it have the bit about the flock dwindling to a\nsingle bird?  I think that's the coolest part of the story.  (Also,\nWolfe's bit about baptism captures what really happened to the pagans in\nIreland pretty well.  And the baptism vs. attempted immortality is what\nmakes it such a good end to Weer's story.)\n\n-Rostrum"
        }
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    }
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