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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/2651",
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  "archive": "urth",
  "thread": {
    "id": 2651,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v030.n114",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2001-05-17T15:54:22+00:00",
    "last": "2001-05-18T08:26:17+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0424@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com"
      },
      "date": "2001-05-17T15:54:22+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) RE: Digest urth.v030.n114",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Mantis wrote:\nJane Doe as Lilith is a very strong thread, agreed."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Don't like it, but have to agree. (Side note -- Lilith is often\nidentified with the Greek snake-women, lamiae, which adds flavor\nto this.)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Okay.  So the NP beams a copperhead and Jane Doe rises up."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Right."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Realistically it doesn't make any sense"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Realistically, _none_ of this makes sense..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Meanwhile, there is the repeated trouble in Spokane. That and\nthe question of \"how long to the next election,\" these are the\npoints that sound like \"National Crisis\" to me.  "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I can't help thinking you're seeing what you want to see there --\nindications of crisis are ambiguous at best; I suspect that, if\nthere's a crisis going on, it's only a crisis for the NP, not \nfor the whole country.\n\nI certainly think you're reading-into the conversation with the\nsecurity guy."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "And Roy wrote:\nDo we get a replay of the Eden story, the same way we got a\nSecond Flood in the Urth Cycle? Does that make sense, from a\nChristian point of view?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I think a good analogy here is to the Narnia books -- it isn't\na \"replay,\" but, if God made multiple worlds, how things might\nplay themselves out, differently but according to the old \npatterns, in those worlds. Like those, I don't think Wolfe\nwrites to be taken allegorically, but perhaps symbolically."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0425@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "2001-05-18T08:26:17+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) RE: Digest urth.v030.n114",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0030-0424@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "On Thu, 17 May 2001, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nDo we get a replay of the Eden story, the same way we got a\nSecond Flood in the Urth Cycle? Does that make sense, from a\nChristian point of view?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "I think a good analogy here is to the Narnia books -- it isn't\na \"replay,\" but, if God made multiple worlds, how things might\nplay themselves out, differently but according to the old \npatterns, in those worlds. Like those, I don't think Wolfe\nwrites to be taken allegorically, but perhaps symbolically."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Better yet, Lewis's Perelandra, in which a human from Earth becomes the\nagent of evil attempting to orchestrate a second fall on the Edenic Venus.\n\nI like the idea that, disasterous as Lilith is running amok in our world,\nthe NP, a fallen human, would be a worse threat to unfallen Eden.  (But it\nonly works if Lilith is not talking about Cain and Abel after all.)\n\n-Rostrum"
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
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