# Digest urth.v030.n114

*The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 17 May 2001*

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### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
*17 May 2001, 15:54*

> Mantis wrote:
> Jane Doe as Lilith is a very strong thread, agreed.

Don't like it, but have to agree. (Side note -- Lilith is often
identified with the Greek snake-women, lamiae, which adds flavor
to this.)

> Okay.  So the NP beams a copperhead and Jane Doe rises up.

Right.

> Realistically it doesn't make any sense

Realistically, _none_ of this makes sense...

> Meanwhile, there is the repeated trouble in Spokane. That and
> the question of "how long to the next election," these are the
> points that sound like "National Crisis" to me.  

I can't help thinking you're seeing what you want to see there --
indications of crisis are ambiguous at best; I suspect that, if
there's a crisis going on, it's only a crisis for the NP, not 
for the whole country.

I certainly think you're reading-into the conversation with the
security guy.

> And Roy wrote:
> Do we get a replay of the Eden story, the same way we got a
> Second Flood in the Urth Cycle? Does that make sense, from a
> Christian point of view?

I think a good analogy here is to the Narnia books -- it isn't
a "replay," but, if God made multiple worlds, how things might
play themselves out, differently but according to the old 
patterns, in those worlds. Like those, I don't think Wolfe
writes to be taken allegorically, but perhaps symbolically.

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### Michael Straight
*18 May 2001, 08:26 · follows Dan'l Danehy-Oakes*

>> On Thu, 17 May 2001, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
>> Do we get a replay of the Eden story, the same way we got a
>> Second Flood in the Urth Cycle? Does that make sense, from a
>> Christian point of view?

> I think a good analogy here is to the Narnia books -- it isn't
> a "replay," but, if God made multiple worlds, how things might
> play themselves out, differently but according to the old 
> patterns, in those worlds. Like those, I don't think Wolfe
> writes to be taken allegorically, but perhaps symbolically.

Better yet, Lewis's Perelandra, in which a human from Earth becomes the
agent of evil attempting to orchestrate a second fall on the Edenic Venus.

I like the idea that, disasterous as Lilith is running amok in our world,
the NP, a fallen human, would be a worse threat to unfallen Eden.  (But it
only works if Lilith is not talking about Cain and Abel after all.)

-Rostrum

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