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  "thread": {
    "id": 2659,
    "subject": "Lilith",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2001-05-22T12:24:16+00:00",
    "last": "2001-05-23T14:22:03+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0434@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Roy C. Lackey",
        "address": "rclackey at stic.net"
      },
      "date": "2001-05-22T12:24:16+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Lilith",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "The search engine was working last night, and I found the post by alga\n(vol.19, 10-22-98) I remembered, where she mentioned Lilith's disinclination\nfor the missionary position. Better yet, I actually have the book she cited\nas a reference, HEBREW MYTHS, by Robert Graves and Raphael Patai. In it, the\nauthors relate:\n\n\"Adam and Lilith never found peace together; for when he wished to lie with\nher, she took offence at the recumbent posture he demanded. 'Why must I lie\nbeneath you?' she asked 'I also was made from dust, and am therefore your\nequal.' Because Adam tried to compel her obedience by force, Lilith, in a\nrage, uttered the magic name of God, rose into the air and left him.\"\n\nWe know that Wolfe is familiar with Graves, and I think that Jane Doe's\n\"Vhas a groose.\" and \"Aw zay, 'ou vhill nawt neffer grawnt offer mee agan.\"\nalmost certainly refers to Adam in this Lilith myth.\n\nOn another tack, has anyone else wondered exactly what Wolfe intended with\nthe last six words of the story: \"a mountain ram winded its horns.\"? Even if\nWolfe hadn't been raised in Texas, much less been a former Aggie, he has to\nknow that no animal blows a horn, much less its own.\n\n-Roy"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0436@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "matthew.malthouse",
        "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "2001-05-23T14:22:03+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Lilith",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0030-0434@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "text": "On 22/05/2001 18:24:16 Roy C. Lackey wrote:\nOn another tack, has anyone else wondered exactly what Wolfe intended with\nthe last six words of the story: \"a mountain ram winded its horns.\"? Even if\nWolfe hadn't been raised in Texas, much less been a former Aggie, he has to\nknow that no animal blows a horn, much less its own."
        },
        {
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          "text": "The blowing of rams horns brought down the walls of Jherico.\n\nSo I read that as calamity ensues.  And seeing as how the ram's blowing his own\nthe next universe along is a right hum dinger...\n\nBut being as this *is* Wolfe that's probably too simple.\n\nMatthew"
        }
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    }
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