{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/2677", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 2677, "subject": "The Invisible Library", "messages": 9, "voices": 5, "first": "2001-06-11T19:33:24+00:00", "last": "2001-06-14T15:42:26+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Stephanides", "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2001-06-11T19:33:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Invisible Library", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There is a website called The Invisible Library --\nhttp://www.invisiblelibrary.com -- which lists books which don't actually\nexist, but whose titles appear in other books. It lists the author and title\nof the real books they appear in, as well as the \"author\" and \"title\" of the\nimaginary book. It's a fascinating site, but there is not one entry for\nGene Wolfe.\n\nObviously, this can't go on. There's _The Book of Gold_, _The Lusty Lawyer_\nby Amanda Ros from _Peace_ (and wasn't there another book by her as well?)\nand everything in _Bibliomen_ (my copy of which is not accessible at the\nmoment, unfortunately); and there must be others. Should we make it a group\nproject? I'm willing to act as clearinghouse, if people don't want to\nclutter up the list.\n\n--Adam" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com" }, "date": "2001-06-11T20:18:10+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Invisible Library", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Wonders of Urth and Sky (oh, that doesn't count, does it?)\n\nfrom BIBLIOMEN:\n\nArthurs, Kirk Patterson (Ph.D.), MASK AND COIN: GRUB STREET IN THE 30S (1986)\n\" , MAZE OF GREY: JOHN GLASKIN REVISITED (1987)\n\" , SWEET SWORD, HIGH HEART: LOVE AND WAR IN THE FICTION OF JOHN GLASKIN (1990)\n\" , FICTION IN FANCY DRESS: JOHN GLASKIN ET AL EXPOSED (1996) [p. 9]\n\nBrooks, Robert T., (Spinning Jenny transcription: title unknown), Doubleday\n(1982) [p. 19]\n\nFrench, Bernard A., GREAT LOST ART OF WESTERN EUROPE [p. 58; p. 23; p. 43]\n\" , PERFECTION UNTO DEATH [p. 44]\n\nGlaskin, John, SIXPENCE FOR BUNS\n\" , BRIDESHEAD\n\" , YOU CAN'T GO HOME AT ALL [p. 42]\n\nJons, John J. (jr.), A GUIDE TO THE PUBLIC TOILETS OF AMERICA (1990) [p. 51]\n\" , MEDITATION ON THE UTILITARIAN THEORY OF LITERARY MERIT [p. 52]\n\nMcRidy, Xavier, THE PAPER NAUTILUS [p. 53]\n\nS. Peety, MR. MILTON IN MEDOC [p. 53]\n\nde Solo y Varios, Juan Gabriel Sabastian, ALLEGIANCE TO LA VILLA REAL DE LA\nSANTA FE DE SAN FRANCISCO [p. 53]\n\nPoor, Adam, VOICES VOCABLE (1975) [p. 64]\n\" , A SALTED MINE (1976) [p. 64]\n\nRico, Paul, TRAINING THE MIND (1981) [p. 72]\n\nMirk, Roy C., POULTRY AS SYMBOLISM IN NINETEENTH CENTURY AMERICAN LITERATURE\n\" , TEA-TIME TALK IN THE NOVELS OF LOUISE MAY ALCOTT\n\" , WASHING AS A EUPHEMISM IN THE WORKS OF JACK LONDON\n\" , A POST-MODERNIST CRITIC VIEWS THE ANTEBELLUM MIDDLE WEST [p. 93]\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSirius Fiction\nHas Moved To\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "matthew.malthouse", "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk" }, "date": "2001-06-12T11:02:02+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Invisible Library", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 12/06/2001 01:33:24 Adam Stephanides wrote:\nThere is a website called The Invisible Library --\nhttp://www.invisiblelibrary.com -- which lists books which don't actually\nexist," }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Presumably this is a branch of the Library of the Unseen University.\n\nGo armed with bananas.\n\nMatthew" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Stephanides", "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2001-06-12T21:58:42+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Invisible Library", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Found three more, all in \"From the Desk of Gilmer C. Merton\" (in STOREYS\nFROM THE OLD HOTEL).\n\nSTAR SHUTTLE by Gilray Gunn (Gilmer C. Merton)\nCOME, DARK LUST! by Wolf Moon\nTHE SHRIEKING IN THE NURSERY by Wolf Moon" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2001-06-13T01:00:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: The Invisible Library", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Adam Stephanides \nSubject: The Invisible Library\nDate: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:33:24 -0500" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Obviously, this can't go on. There's _The Book of Gold_, _The Lusty\nLawyer_\nby Amanda Ros from _Peace_ (and wasn't there another book by her as well?)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "From PEACE: (p.-160, Berkley)\n\nOH, RARE AMANDA (a biography, author unknown)\n\nBy Amanda Ros:\n\nIRENE IDDESLEIGH\n\nDELINA DELANEY\n\nDONALD DUDLEY\n\nFUMES OF FORMATION (poetry)\n\nPOEMS OF PUNCTURE (poetry)\n\n------------------\n\nMARVELLS OF SCIENCE by Morryster (197)\n\nCULTES DES GOULES by the Comte d'Erlette (198)\n\nTHE BOOK THAT BINDS THE DEAD (or THE BOOK OF THE NAMES OF THE DEAD, or THE\nBOOK OF THE NAMES OF DEATH) by Louis A. Gold (or the NECRONOMICON as coined\nby HPL, if you like--this gets complicated) (215)\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com" }, "date": "2001-06-13T06:42:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: The Invisible Library", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Roy wrote:\nFrom PEACE: (p.-160, Berkley)\n\nOH, RARE AMANDA (a biography, author unknown)\n\nBy Amanda Ros:\n\nIRENE IDDESLEIGH\n\nDELINA DELANEY\n\nDONALD DUDLEY\n\nFUMES OF FORMATION (poetry)\n\nPOEMS OF PUNCTURE (poetry)\n\n------------------" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ach, Roy--he got you!\n\nThere really =is= an Amanda (McKitterick) Ros, eccentric Irish author (take\nnote, PEACE ethnographers!), and she really did write IRENE IDDESLEIGH\n(Bookfinder.com lists a few available today, ranging from $8.50 to $20) and\nHELEN HUDDLESON (ranging from $75 to $106).\n\nAnd O RARE AMANDA really is a biography of her, written by Jack Loudan!\n\nSince LUSTY LAWYER by Amanda Ros is the forgery (?) in PEACE, this is the\none for the invisible library: the others I assume are all real titles.\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSirius Fiction\nHas Moved To\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "William Ansley", "address": "wansley at warwick.net" }, "date": "2001-06-13T23:11:18+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Invisible Library", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 7:33 PM -0500 6/11/01, Adam Stephanides wrote:\nThere is a website called The Invisible Library --\nhttp://www.invisiblelibrary.com -- which lists books which don't actually\nexist, but whose titles appear in other books. It lists the author and title\nof the real books they appear in, as well as the \"author\" and \"title\" of the\nimaginary book. It's a fascinating site, but there is not one entry for\nGene Wolfe.\n\nObviously, this can't go on. There's _The Book of Gold_" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "...\n\nWas there ever a actually a book entitled _The Book of Gold_ in one \nof Wolfe's works? I though it was just a name for whatever book a \nreader found at an early age that became, for him or her, the \n\"perfect\" book." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "William Ansley" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Stephanides", "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2001-06-14T00:05:36+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Invisible Library", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "on 6/11/01 10:18 PM, Michael Andre-Driussi at mantis at siriusfiction.com\nwrote:\nWonders of Urth and Sky (oh, that doesn't count, does it?)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Why not? Looking at the passage in SHADOW where it's first mentioned, it\nseems to be a perfectly legitimate book, and it undoubtedly doesn't exist.\n\nThere's also (in the same passage) Blaithmaic's LIVES OF THE SEVENTEEN\nMEGATHERIANS.\n\n--Adam " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Stephanides", "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2001-06-14T15:42:26+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Invisible Library", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "on 6/13/01 10:11 PM, William Ansley at wansley at warwick.net wrote:\nWas there ever a actually a book entitled _The Book of Gold_ in one\nof Wolfe's works? I though it was just a name for whatever book a\nreader found at an early age that became, for him or her, the\n\"perfect\" book." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In SHADOW OF THE TORTURER (chap. VI), Master Ultan speaks of _The Book of\nGold_ as the book which, when a child discovers it, leads to his becoming a\nlibrarian. It may be, though, that this in fact doesn't refer to a specific\nbook, though Ultan doesn't say so explicitly. I could make an argument both\nways.\n\n--Adam" } ] } ] }