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  "thread": {
    "id": 2817,
    "subject": "In Glory Like Their Star (SPOILERS) F&SF Mag story",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2001-08-31T19:28:44+00:00",
    "last": "2001-09-17T12:24:17+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0686@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Endy9",
        "address": "endymion91 at home.com"
      },
      "date": "2001-08-31T19:28:44+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) In Glory Like Their Star (SPOILERS) F&SF Mag story",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Just read this in the Oct/Nov issue of Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine I\ngot in the mail yesterday.  Always excited to see a new Wolfe story\nanywhere.\n\nOnce again the more Wolfe stories that come out the less chance there is of\nme *thinking* I fully understand them.  I doubt I've had that feeling since\nthe early 80s.\n\nS\nP\nO\nI\nL\nE\nR\n\nS\nP\nA\nC\nE\n\n\nI felt shock when within the first page I had figured out that this was a\nstory of aliens (misinterpreted as gods) visiting earth, so I knew Gene was\ngiving that away and the real mysteries were to come.\n\nAnd once again I have mostly questions that I hope others here can shed\nlight on for me (smile).\n\n1.  Any idea what the passage on p.110 means?  \"Our long voyage through\nspace impressed them.  I doubt they grasped its length, for their concepts\nof the five they call \"time\" are muddled, and so eroneous that they cannot\nbe termed primitive with any precision.  They will be primitive, perhaps,\nwhen the sunlight reaches them on this place.\"\n\nI don't understand the word \"five\" compared to time.\n\nI don't understand where this place that sunlight will reach is to try to\ndetermine when he things earthlings will reach primitive status.\n\n2.  What is the deal about the earth not being a sphere because the desert\nis a flat spot where gravity works differently?  Is the desert the\nmysterious hidden \"Eden\" man is still searching for?  Something on a\ndifferent plane where gravity, time, etc. work differently that the alien\ncould see but man can't?\n\n3.  Why does the narrator talk of traveling \"alone\" but make many references\nto \"others\" who aren't earth dwellers from what I can tell?\n\n4.  Sol died?  Is this in the future when the sun goes out or in the past\nwhen man was more primitive.  The sentence about the earth man stopping his\nbeast and causing it to lie down on the desert sand for some reason made me\nthink it could be a camel in the past or a hovercar in the future.\n\nLook forward to seeing others thoughts,\n\nThanks,\nDennis/Endy\nhttp://members.home.net/endymion91/index.htm"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0030-0697@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "James Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan4 at home.com"
      },
      "date": "2001-09-17T12:24:17+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) In Glory Like Their Star (SPOILERS) F&SF Mag story",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0030-0686@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Only one thought, and it's probably wrong:"
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          "text": "At 07:28 PM 8/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:\nJust read this in the Oct/Nov issue of Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine I\ngot in the mail yesterday.  Always excited to see a new Wolfe story\nanywhere.\n\nOnce again the more Wolfe stories that come out the less chance there is of\nme *thinking* I fully understand them.  I doubt I've had that feeling since\nthe early 80s.\n\nS\nP\nO\nI\nL\nE\nR\n\nS\nP\nA\nC\nE\n\n\nI felt shock when within the first page I had figured out that this was a\nstory of aliens (misinterpreted as gods) visiting earth, so I knew Gene was\ngiving that away and the real mysteries were to come.\n\nAnd once again I have mostly questions that I hope others here can shed\nlight on for me (smile).\n\n1.  Any idea what the passage on p.110 means?  \"Our long voyage through\nspace impressed them.  I doubt they grasped its length, for their concepts\nof the five they call \"time\" are muddled, and so eroneous that they cannot\nbe termed primitive with any precision.  They will be primitive, perhaps,\nwhen the sunlight reaches them on this place.\"\n\nI don't understand the word \"five\" compared to time.\n\nI don't understand where this place that sunlight will reach is to try to\ndetermine when he things earthlings will reach primitive status."
        },
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "         The light from his own home sun, which he has outrun? Or are we in \na nuclear winter?"
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          "text": "2.  What is the deal about the earth not being a sphere because the desert\nis a flat spot where gravity works differently?  Is the desert the\nmysterious hidden \"Eden\" man is still searching for?  Something on a\ndifferent plane where gravity, time, etc. work differently that the alien\ncould see but man can't?"
        },
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          "text": "         Is the \"flat\" area the site of a nuclear detonation?\n\nNutria"
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