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  "thread": {
    "id": 2889,
    "subject": "Return to URTH!",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2002-01-29T04:23:25+00:00",
    "last": "2002-01-30T16:47:08+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0202-1@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Ranjit Bhatnagar",
        "address": "ranjit at moonmilk.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-01-29T04:23:25+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Return to URTH!",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Dear Urth and Whorl list subscribers,\n\nIf this reaches you, then I have managed to bring the new\nUrth list online at last.  Welcome!  The new Urth list\nreplaces both Urth and Whorl.  It will take me some time to\nget the archives operational again, but eventually I will.\nWatch the web site at http://www.urth.net/ for further\ndevelopments.\n\nNow, please, continue where you left off a few weeks ago!\n\n-- Ranjit\n\n\n\np.s. Here is your automated welcome message:\n\nThis email message gives you important information about using\nthis list - please save it for future reference.\n\nThere are two parts to this file: the first short part is on how \nto SEND MAIL to the list, the second is on how to send COMMANDS \nto the list.  If you lose this file then you can get the same \ninformation again by sending a HELP command to the list manager \nas is shown below.    \n\n\nSENDING MAIL TO THE LIST\n========================\n\nTo send a message to all urth list members, write to urth at urth.net.\nFor example:\n\n --------------------------------------------------------------\n       From: Peter Rabbit <peter at netwin.co.nz>\n         To: urth at urth.net\n    Subject: WHO IS SEVERIAN'S NEPHEW?\n\n    I heard a rumor that Baldanders was Severian's nephew...\n --------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n\nSENDING COMMANDS TO THE LIST\n============================\n\n\nAll of the following sections deal with how to send a command to \nthe list.  You have already done this if you subscribed to the \nlist yourself. \n\nCommands are written in the BODY of a normal email message. The \nemail message is then sent to the list manager's special email \naddress:\n   urth-request at urth.net\n \n\n\nLeaving the list (unsubscribing)\n================================\n\nTo stop receiving messages from the urth list you will \nneed to send a message to the list manager.  For example:\n\n --------------------------------------------------------------\n       From: Peter Rabbit <peter at netwin.co.nz>\n         To: urth-request at urth.net\n    Subject: <not needed>\n\n    unsubscribe\n --------------------------------------------------------------\n\nIf you are still getting messages after you have received a \nmessage saying you are no longer a member of this list, it could \nbe that you are subscribed by a different email address.  \nIf so, write to Ranjit for assistance: ranjit at urth.net\n\n\nDigests or individual messages\n==============================\n\nYou may choose to receive the Urth list as a daily digest, or\nto receive each individual message as soon as it is posted.\nIf you are a former subscriber to the old Urth and Whorl lists,\nI have tried to respect your preference for digests or messages,\nbut if I got it wrong or if you change your mind you may tell\nthe list manager by sending the command\n\n    digest true\nor\n    digest false\n\n\nHoliday mode\n============\n\nWhen you go away on vacation, keep your mailbox from filling up\nwith Urth messages by sending this command:\n\n    holiday true\n\nWhen you return, send\n\n    holiday false\n\nand your subscription will continue.  The messages you missed\nwill be waiting for you on the web site.\n\n\nMailing list etiquette\n======================\n\nTo keep the uncomfortable mechanics of email discussions from \noverwhelming the actual conversation, please follow these guidelines\nwhen participating in the Urth list:\n\nDo not use HTML mail.  Many of us use mail programs that don't\nunderstand HTML, and the mysterious codes just clutter up our\ninboxes.  Most email programs have an option to turn off HTML.\nFor example, in Outlook Express, after choosing the Tools / Options \nmenu you will find it under the Send tab.\n\nKeep quotations brief.  When you are replying to another message\nin the list, please include only the least portion of the original\nmessage necessary to establish the context of your reply.  Your \nreaders can always refer to the original in the archives or digests\nto see the rest.  If you are a digest subscriber, be especially\ncareful that you do not accidentally quote an entire digest!\n\nAvoid automatic messages.  If you are going on vacation and have a\nprogram that automatically replies for you, please unsubscribe\nfrom the Urth list or put it in holiday mode while you are away,\nso that your vacation message doesn't get posted to the list.\n\nSpoilers:  If you are discussing a plot point of a recently published\nwork of fiction-- say, one that is not yet out in paperback--\nthat may diminish someone else's enjoyment of the book if they\nhaven't yet read it, put a warning in the subject of your message\nsuch as \"Caution: spoilers for Return to the Whorl.\"\n\nMost importantly, don't be afraid to dive into the fray!\nThanks for making Urth a lively conversation for nearly five years.\n\n\nRanjit Bhatnagar\nranjit at urth.net\nhttp://www.urth.net/\nTo unsubscribe: send \"unsubscribe\" to ||list_request_address||\nQuestions or problems: write ranjit at moonmilk.com"
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0202-2@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "matthew.malthouse",
        "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "2002-01-29T12:18:54+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Return to URTH!",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0202-1@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "text": "On 29/01/2002 04:23:25 Ranjit Bhatnagar wrote:\nDear Urth and Whorl list subscribers,\n\nIf this reaches you, then I have managed to bring the new\nUrth list online at last.  Welcome!"
        },
        {
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          "text": "Thankyou, you did.   Wheeee!   ;-)\n\n\nMatthew\n\n\nTo unsubscribe: send \"unsubscribe\" to ||list_request_address||\nQuestions or problems: write ranjit at moonmilk.com"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0202-16@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-01-30T16:47:08+00:00",
      "subject": "RE: (urth) Return to URTH!",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0202-2@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "text": "1. Great to have the lists back.\n\n2. For some reason, I'm receiving the digest as a blank email message \ncontaining bunch of text attachments instead of a compiled email. This\nis kind of weird. (Actually, I'd prefer to be in regular mode instead \nof digest at this point anyway - I just never got around to changing \nit.)\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Ranjit Bhatnagar [mailto:ranjit at moonmilk.com]\nSent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:23 PM\nTo: urth at urth.net\nSubject: (urth) Return to URTH!\n\n\nDear Urth and Whorl list subscribers,\n\nIf this reaches you, then I have managed to bring the new\nUrth list online at last.  Welcome!  The new Urth list\nreplaces both Urth and Whorl.  It will take me some time to\nget the archives operational again, but eventually I will.\nWatch the web site at http://www.urth.net/ for further\ndevelopments.\n\nNow, please, continue where you left off a few weeks ago!\n\n-- Ranjit\n\n\n\np.s. Here is your automated welcome message:\n\nThis email message gives you important information about using\nthis list - please save it for future reference.\n\nThere are two parts to this file: the first short part is on how \nto SEND MAIL to the list, the second is on how to send COMMANDS \nto the list.  If you lose this file then you can get the same \ninformation again by sending a HELP command to the list manager \nas is shown below.    \n\n\nSENDING MAIL TO THE LIST\n========================\n\nTo send a message to all urth list members, write to urth at urth.net.\nFor example:\n\n --------------------------------------------------------------\n       From: Peter Rabbit <peter at netwin.co.nz>\n         To: urth at urth.net\n    Subject: WHO IS SEVERIAN'S NEPHEW?\n\n    I heard a rumor that Baldanders was Severian's nephew...\n --------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n\nSENDING COMMANDS TO THE LIST\n============================\n\n\nAll of the following sections deal with how to send a command to \nthe list.  You have already done this if you subscribed to the \nlist yourself. \n\nCommands are written in the BODY of a normal email message. The \nemail message is then sent to the list manager's special email \naddress:\n   urth-request at urth.net\n \n\n\nLeaving the list (unsubscribing)\n================================\n\nTo stop receiving messages from the urth list you will \nneed to send a message to the list manager.  For example:\n\n --------------------------------------------------------------\n       From: Peter Rabbit <peter at netwin.co.nz>\n         To: urth-request at urth.net\n    Subject: <not needed>\n\n    unsubscribe\n --------------------------------------------------------------\n\nIf you are still getting messages after you have received a \nmessage saying you are no longer a member of this list, it could \nbe that you are subscribed by a different email address.  \nIf so, write to Ranjit for assistance: ranjit at urth.net\n\n\nDigests or individual messages\n==============================\n\nYou may choose to receive the Urth list as a daily digest, or\nto receive each individual message as soon as it is posted.\nIf you are a former subscriber to the old Urth and Whorl lists,\nI have tried to respect your preference for digests or messages,\nbut if I got it wrong or if you change your mind you may tell\nthe list manager by sending the command\n\n    digest true\nor\n    digest false\n\n\nHoliday mode\n============\n\nWhen you go away on vacation, keep your mailbox from filling up\nwith Urth messages by sending this command:\n\n    holiday true\n\nWhen you return, send\n\n    holiday false\n\nand your subscription will continue.  The messages you missed\nwill be waiting for you on the web site.\n\n\nMailing list etiquette\n======================\n\nTo keep the uncomfortable mechanics of email discussions from \noverwhelming the actual conversation, please follow these guidelines\nwhen participating in the Urth list:\n\nDo not use HTML mail.  Many of us use mail programs that don't\nunderstand HTML, and the mysterious codes just clutter up our\ninboxes.  Most email programs have an option to turn off HTML.\nFor example, in Outlook Express, after choosing the Tools / Options \nmenu you will find it under the Send tab.\n\nKeep quotations brief.  When you are replying to another message\nin the list, please include only the least portion of the original\nmessage necessary to establish the context of your reply.  Your \nreaders can always refer to the original in the archives or digests\nto see the rest.  If you are a digest subscriber, be especially\ncareful that you do not accidentally quote an entire digest!\n\nAvoid automatic messages.  If you are going on vacation and have a\nprogram that automatically replies for you, please unsubscribe\nfrom the Urth list or put it in holiday mode while you are away,\nso that your vacation message doesn't get posted to the list.\n\nSpoilers:  If you are discussing a plot point of a recently published\nwork of fiction-- say, one that is not yet out in paperback--\nthat may diminish someone else's enjoyment of the book if they\nhaven't yet read it, put a warning in the subject of your message\nsuch as \"Caution: spoilers for Return to the Whorl.\"\n\nMost importantly, don't be afraid to dive into the fray!\nThanks for making Urth a lively conversation for nearly five years.\n\n\nRanjit Bhatnagar\nranjit at urth.net\nhttp://www.urth.net/\nTo unsubscribe: send \"unsubscribe\" to ||list_request_address||\nQuestions or problems: write ranjit at moonmilk.com\n\n\n\nQuestions or problems: write ranjit at urth.net"
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