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  "thread": {
    "id": 2896,
    "subject": "random thoughts:",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2002-01-30T13:10:30+00:00",
    "last": "2002-02-01T04:54:53+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0202-13@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Andy Robertson",
        "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "2002-01-30T13:10:30+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) random thoughts:",
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      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "I am still thinking about your fasinating idea about the trees eating and\nrecombining with Horn in the pit.\n\nI am not convinced, quite, but I agree that Horn's time in the pit was a\ndeath-and -ressurection experience.    The similarity with the bit in THE\nURTH OF THE NEW SUN where Severian dies and is re-embodied (on the Ship,\nafter a disasterous fall) is significant, I think.\n\nJust starting my third rereading of RETURN TO THE WHORL\n\n\n    hartshorn\n\n\n\n(But I'm increasingly convinced that Blue and Green are Ushas and\nbroken-free Lune,  and the the Whorl has returned home.  Yes)\n\n\nQuestions or problems: write ranjit at urth.net"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0202-41@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Joe Eull",
        "address": "lo_phan17 at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-02-01T04:54:53+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) random thoughts:",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0202-13@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "From: \"Andy Robertson\""
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          "text": "I am still thinking about your fasinating idea about the trees eating and\nrecombining with Horn in the pit.\n\nI am not convinced, quite, but I agree that Horn's time in the pit was a\ndeath-and -ressurection experience."
        },
        {
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          "text": "Horn writes at the beginning of the chapter something about if to write this\nepisode it should end the book. He says I believe, that, it signified the\nend of the best part of his life. I took this to mean that Horn was destined\nfrom that point to go to green.\n\n\n\n\n   The similarity with the bit in THE"
        },
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          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "URTH OF THE NEW SUN where Severian dies and is re-embodied (on the Ship,\nafter a disasterous fall) is significant,"
        },
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          "text": "Severian is rescued there by friends. Zak and Gunnie were there.(Although\nGunnie had tried to kill him). This isn't true of Horn.\n\nA similarity I see is that both involve a supernatural beings. Does simple\nform Zak (bouncing ball Zak) have the same powers as The Tzadkiel who towers\nlike a pine?  Babbie to Neighbour as Zak is to Tzadkiel? It seems Horn is\ntouched by a neighbour, maybe in a way similar to the annointing that makes\nhim think of strange whorls before he goes into the sewer on Green. From the\npit he goes to their kitchen on Lizard, but he can't drink from the ladle.\nThe narrator says something here that's significant. It's earlier, when he\nfirst regains consciousness. He compares it to the instance where he died on\nGreen, but says returning to his body are the memories are the body's, not\nthe spirit's. It's like a half resurrection, his spirit is still dead. What\ndoes that say for the touch by the neighbour, does it complete it?\n\nJoe"
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