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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 2900, "subject": "color change in azoth and other stuff", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2002-01-31T04:05:53+00:00", "last": "2002-01-31T15:41:25+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "maa32", "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu" }, "date": "2002-01-31T04:05:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) color change in azoth and other stuff", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I have no idea if this means anything or not: the description of the azoth \nfrom Return to the Whorl describes the jewel in the hilt as \"a watery somewhat \npurplish stone\" when Mint gives it back to Silk, claiming that she has given \nit to him before, but he gave it right back to her. (Well, I'm thinking this \nis Kypris talking - she prompted Hyacinth to give the azoth to Silk, then \nreceived it again when Silk gave it to Mint).\n\nThe weird thing is that the jewel in the hilt has changed colors from its \noriginal description in Nightside the Long Sun. I can't remember the color \nright now, but I know I was suprised because it wasn't purple (I was reading \nit out loud to my mother a few weeks ago right after reading the description \nof the azoth in Return to the Whorl on my own; she has the book now) I think \nit was blue or blue-green. Has anybody noticed if the jewel in the hilt \nchanges throughout the Long Sun series?\n\n(Also, as I've talked with a few people independently, the wounds on Silk's \narms could have come from a brush with foliage or trees in the beginning of \nReturn to the Whorl, but I won't belabor that point. Note how he stumbles out \nof the house to a tree.\n\nI wonder if the trees are something unique to the Short Sun books? Did Wolfe \nalready have trees planned as important, possibly sentient beings from the \nbeginning of Nightside the Long Sun? There is that odd scene when Silk is \nbreaking in to Blood's house where he feels like someone is watching him from \nthe trees, but I thought it was an owl or possibly an inhumu. Who can say? I \nthink that the beginning of In Green's Jungles, echoing Peace, clues us in to \npay attention every time a tree pops up: Elmo has fallen.)\n\nOn a very different note, I know that John Crowley is coming out with a \nmainstream book called the Translator later this year, but amazon.com also has \nOtherwise: Three novels of John Crowley slated for release as well, but they \ndon't name the novels. Does anybody have any idea which books are going to be \nincluded in that upcoming collection (or when the last Aegypt book will be \nout?)\nAnybody here like Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber or read Moorcock's Colonel \nPyat series? Corwin of Amber, in his hard-hearted, super-competent, and \nbasically indestructible way, seems like a pretty \"Severian\" type character. \n(And Pyat might possibly be the most unreliable narrator of all time).\n\nAnother thing that confuses me is Clute's categorization of Wolfe and Zelazny \nas exemplary modernists, labeling Moorcock and Gibson as definitely \npostmodern, while in the mainstream Borges and Calvino are usually classified \nas \"postmodernists\" - and it seems to me that most of Wolfe's stories could \nhave come from the pen of someone just like Borges (but not someone like DH \nLawrence or even Joyce). Those terms pretty much stink, anyway, but I was \njust curious if anyone had any good justifications for such a classification.\n\nOk, hope everybody has a good night.\n\nMarc Aramini" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Alice K. Turner", "address": "aturner3 at nyc.rr.com" }, "date": "2002-01-31T14:54:33+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) color change in azoth and other stuff", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "From Marc Arimani:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On a very different note, I know that John Crowley is coming out with a\nmainstream book called the Translator later this year, but amazon.com also\nhas\nOtherwise: Three novels of John Crowley slated for release as well, but\nthey\ndon't name the novels. Does anybody have any idea which books are going\nto be\nincluded in that upcoming collection (or when the last Aegypt book will be\nout?)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The three are Crowley's short early books: The Deep, Beasts and Engine\nSummer. They have been omnibused before, by Bantam. The Translator isn't\nquite mainstream, though it's being marketed that way and it's comfortable\nthat way. As a guess, the last Aegypt book will be next year; it's going to\nbe much shorter than the previous ones. Maybe 2004. I know Crowley wants to\nwind up the series, and who can blame him.\n\n-a-" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kieran Cleary", "address": "kcleary at jb.man.ac.uk" }, "date": "2002-01-31T15:15:43+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) color change in azoth and other stuff", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "....it's going to\nbe much shorter than the previous ones. Maybe 2004. I know Crowley wants to\nwind up the series, and who can blame him." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks for the news, Alga. You make it sound as if Crowley is thoroughly\nfed-up of the series. Hope he's not going to short-change us. Any more\nwords on what the Translator is about?\n\nKieran C." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Jordan", "address": "jbjordan4 at home.com" }, "date": "2002-01-31T15:41:25+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) color change in azoth and other stuff", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 10:05 PM 1/30/2002, you wrote:\nI wonder if the trees are something unique to the Short Sun books? Did Wolfe\nalready have trees planned as important, possibly sentient beings from the\nbeginning of Nightside the Long Sun? There is that odd scene when Silk is\nbreaking in to Blood's house where he feels like someone is watching him from\nthe trees, but I thought it was an owl or possibly an inhumu. Who can say? I\nthink that the beginning of In Green's Jungles, echoing Peace, clues us in to\npay attention every time a tree pops up: Elmo has fallen.)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, remember that Quetzal slithers onto a tree at one point (in \nNightside?). There's \"serpent in Eden\" motif here that is very obvious, \ngiven that we're in the Church -- though Quetzal seems a kind of \"converted \nserpent.\" Someone watching Silk from a tree would most likely be Quetzal. \nOf course, on your thesis, the tree might be more than a tree also.\n\nNutria" } ] } ] }