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  "thread": {
    "id": 2903,
    "subject": "Hour of Trust (was Re: (urth) The Best Introduction to the",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2002-01-31T15:14:19+00:00",
    "last": "2002-01-31T15:46:05+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0202-30@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Adam Stephanides",
        "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-01-31T15:14:19+00:00",
      "subject": "Hour of Trust (was Re: (urth) The Best Introduction to the",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "on 1/30/02 10:45 AM, James Jordan at jbjordan4 at home.com wrote:\nDoes he? In \"Hour of Trust\" (*Island of Dr. Death etc.*) Wolfe\nhimself joins a rebellion reciting the Lord's Prayer."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "It's not clear to me why you think the bald man reciting the Lord's Prayer\nis Wolfe, or even why you think Wolfe approves of the rebellion.  Among\nother things, the bald man is a suicide bomber, and while Wolfe as a\nCatholic might approve of rebellion under some circumstances, I doubt he\ncould approve of suicide, which is definitely a sin.  Moreover, the\nrecruiting centers for volunteers include not only Buddhist spiritual\ncenters, which Wolfe might possibly be ecumenical enough to approve of, but\na temple of Kali (166, Orb edition), which he almost certainly isn't.  And\nthe government against which they're rebelling is portrayed as incompetent,\nbut not tyrannical.\n\nIt's a strange story anyway, and one which I think has been dismissed too\nreadily (myself included).  I remembered it as just an anti-corporation\ntract, and it is that, but it may also be the Wolfe story which wears its\nmodernist mannerisms most boldly on its sleeve, aside from jeux d'esprit\nlike Parkroads.  (And I have to admit that it was only on this reading that\nI realized where the story was taking place.)\n\n--Adam"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0202-33@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "James Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan4 at home.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-01-31T15:46:05+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: Hour of Trust (was Re: (urth) The Best Introduction to the",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0202-30@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 09:14 AM 1/31/2002, you wrote:\non 1/30/02 10:45 AM, James Jordan at jbjordan4 at home.com wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Does he? In \"Hour of Trust\" (*Island of Dr. Death etc.*) Wolfe\nhimself joins a rebellion reciting the Lord's Prayer."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "It's not clear to me why you think the bald man reciting the Lord's Prayer\nis Wolfe, or even why you think Wolfe approves of the rebellion.  Among\nother things, the bald man is a suicide bomber, and while Wolfe as a\nCatholic might approve of rebellion under some circumstances, I doubt he\ncould approve of suicide, which is definitely a sin.  Moreover, the\nrecruiting centers for volunteers include not only Buddhist spiritual\ncenters, which Wolfe might possibly be ecumenical enough to approve of, but\na temple of Kali (166, Orb edition), which he almost certainly isn't.  And\nthe government against which they're rebelling is portrayed as incompetent,\nbut not tyrannical."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "         I stand corrected! Sure, it's got to be Wolfe, but Wolfe is \nclearly making a joke on himself."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "It's a strange story anyway, and one which I think has been dismissed too\nreadily (myself included).  I remembered it as just an anti-corporation\ntract, and it is that, but it may also be the Wolfe story which wears its\nmodernist mannerisms most boldly on its sleeve, aside from jeux d'esprit\nlike Parkroads.  (And I have to admit that it was only on this reading that\nI realized where the story was taking place.)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "         I'd like to return to this story at some point. There's a lot of \ninteresting setup stuff in the early part, perhaps \"the four corners of the \nworld\" by allusion. I think this is a \"packed\" story.\n\nNutria"
        }
      ]
    }
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