{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/2910", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 2910, "subject": "Wolfe And Alternate History", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2002-02-02T05:17:37+00:00", "last": "2002-02-02T17:41:08+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "PMorris33", "address": "pmorris33 at aol.com" }, "date": "2002-02-02T05:17:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Wolfe And Alternate History", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've been interested in alternate history sci fi for some time. The earliest example I can find is Stephen Vincent Benet's story about a Napoleon born out of his time. I think C.S. Forester may have\nDoes anyone in this group know if Gene Wolfe has done any stories that might be termed \"alternate history\"? \nAnd does anyone know the title of the C.S. Forester story?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andy Robertson", "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk" }, "date": "2002-02-02T12:41:03+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Wolfe And Alternate History", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks to jess nevins of Fictionmags I have.....\n\n hartshorn\n\n............................................................................\n.............................\n\nThe Uchronia web site ( http://www.uchronia.net/ ) is\nan invaluable resource for AHs.\nFor Wolfe, it gives this:\n\nSidewise Awards Wolfe, Gene. \"How I Lost the Second\nWorld War and Helped Turn Back the German Invasion\".\nDivergence: c 1917.\nWhat if: Germany and Japan used economic warfare\ninstead of military conquest in the 1930s and 40s.\nAlso, Churchill returned to journalism after World\nWar I.\nSynopsis: A retired US Army officer from Abilene KS\ninvents a game called World War, and participates in\na race between German and British compact cars.\n\nPublished: In Analog May 1973; The Best of Analog\n(ed. Ben Bova), Baronet 1978 (0894370340) and Ace\n1979 (0441054706); Gene Wolfe's Book of Days, Doubleday\n1981 (0385159919); Castle of Days, Tor 1992 (0312852096),\nTor/Orb 1995 (0312890427); and Roads Not Taken:\nTales of Alternate History (eds. Gardner Dozois and\nStanley Schmidt), q.v.\nAwards: Nominee: 1973 Nebula for best short story.\n\nThe Forester entry is:\n\nForester, C.S. \"If Hitler Had Invaded England\".\nDivergence: 1940.\nWhat if: A report on the demoralization of British\ntroops at Dunkirk prompted Hitler to order an\ninvasion of England within three weeks.\nSynopsis: \"We know now\" that the invasion near\nRye on June 30, 1940, failed within three days\nbecause England was able to take control of the\nair within hours of the invasion and because\nGermany lost control of the Channel a day later.\n\nPublished: In London Daily Mail ...; Saturday\nEvening Post, Apr. 16-30, 1960; and Gold\nfrom Crete: Ten Stories, Little, Brown 1970,\nJoseph 1971 (0718108426), and Pinnacle 1976.\n\nThe Oldest AH list is here:\nhttp://www.uchronia.net/oldest.html\n\njess\n\nAndy Robertson wrote:\n\n Any Chums know the anwer to this?\n\n Andy R\n\n\n\n----- Original Message -----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: \nTo: \nSent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 5:17 AM\nSubject: (urth) Wolfe And Alternate History\nI've been interested in alternate history sci fi for some time. The\nearliest example I can find is Stephen Vincent Benet's story about a\nNapoleon born out of his time. I think C.S. Forester may have\n\nDoes anyone in this group know if Gene Wolfe has done any stories that\nmight be termed \"alternate history\"?\nAnd does anyone know the title of the C.S. Forester story?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yahoo! Groups Sponsor\nADVERTISEMENT\n\n\n\n\nYour use of Yahoo" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com" }, "date": "2002-02-02T17:41:08+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Wolfe And Alternate History", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Does anyone in this group know if Gene Wolfe has done any stories that\nmight be termed \"alternate history\"?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"Straw\" alternate Medieval Europe. In Wolfe collection STOREYS FROM THE OLD\nHOTEL.\n\n\"Continuing Westward\" maybe? (STOREYS FROM THE OLD HOTEL)\n\n\"Against the Lafayette Escadrille\" maybe? (GENE WOLFE'S BOOK OF DAYS and\nCASTLE OF DAYS)\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSirius Fiction\nLEXICON URTHUS -- 68 copies remaining until OP!\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/" } ] } ] }