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  "thread": {
    "id": 2917,
    "subject": "For Joe: more nasty puns",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2002-02-03T18:42:18+00:00",
    "last": "2002-02-04T01:03:52+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0202-64@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2002-02-03T18:42:18+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) For Joe: more nasty puns",
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          "text": "Hey Joe.  If you wanted another Fruedian association in Wolfe, then the name \nof the narrator Horn offers a few.  I'm sure we've discussed the Shakespearian \nconnotation of horns and cuckholdry, and the Horn as male genitals from \n\"Hornbus, you whore\" of Nightside the long sun (which, I believe, if you will \nforgive my crudity, invokes fellatio).  Here is one more that might be just \ncoincidental: Horn falls in that big pit on the island.  If you buy my theory \nthat this recreates the vanished people by hybridizing man and tree, then Horn \nacts as an impregnating phallus \"lost in the big woods\".  Unlike naming the \ntaverns \"the cock\" and \"the bush\", I am not willing to say that this Horn in a \npit is intentional on Wolfe's part.  I just recall being traumatized by the \ndescription of Jolenta's private parts as an unhatched chick or something in \nThe Claw of the Conciliator in the fifth grade or so.  That's a pretty scary \ndescription to a young boy. And then there is that whole iron dingus scene in \nthe Claw that always catches me by surprise.\nPlease forgive the crudity of this post.\nMarc Aramini"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0202-65@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "James Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan4 at home.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-02-04T01:03:52+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) For Joe: more nasty puns",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0202-64@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "The horn falling into the pit may be righter than you realize. AS I recall, \nin \"A Story by John Marsch\" in 5th Head, there is some description of two \nlarge stones and a bush that have something to do with procreation. This is \nway back in my mind. Some 5th Head expert needs to clarify my memory for \nus. Anyway, it seems that Wolfe does use geography this way.\n\nNutria"
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          "text": "At 12:42 PM 2/3/2002, you wrote:\nHey Joe.  If you wanted another Fruedian association in Wolfe, then the name\nof the narrator Horn offers a few.  I'm sure we've discussed the \nShakespearian\nconnotation of horns and cuckholdry, and the Horn as male genitals from\n\"Hornbus, you whore\" of Nightside the long sun (which, I believe, if you will\nforgive my crudity, invokes fellatio).  Here is one more that might be just\ncoincidental: Horn falls in that big pit on the island.  If you buy my theory\nthat this recreates the vanished people by hybridizing man and tree, then \nHorn\nacts as an impregnating phallus \"lost in the big woods\".  Unlike naming the\ntaverns \"the cock\" and \"the bush\", I am not willing to say that this Horn \nin a\npit is intentional on Wolfe's part.  I just recall being traumatized by the\ndescription of Jolenta's private parts as an unhatched chick or something in\nThe Claw of the Conciliator in the fifth grade or so.  That's a pretty scary\ndescription to a young boy. And then there is that whole iron dingus scene in\nthe Claw that always catches me by surprise.\nPlease forgive the crudity of this post.\nMarc Aramini\n\n\n\n--"
        }
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