# (no subject) *The Urth list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 10 Feb 2002* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Andy Robertson *10 Feb 2002, 22:06* ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Andre-Driussi" > Hartshorn wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Andre-Driussi" >>> So the short form would be to say: "The signature phrase 'hour of >>> trust' >>> applies equally to both the corporate and the rebel forces, not just >>> the >>> corporate forces as one might believe after following the viewpoint >>> character." >> Exactly - as I read the story. >> >> To the other, the losing, side, it is a lethal betrayal of the deepest >> form >> of human trust. > No, no! The losing side fails because they are decadent, corrupt, and > bungling; they lack the creative vision, and only lead through dominance, > manipulation, and coercion, rather than leading by example. Uh, I thought I said that ....... No, we are only arguing about the words here. The central point of this story is the need to build an actual moral community, a nation, to fight a war (or indeed to do anything else). The Corporates are what is left when parasites and carpetbaggers have eaten the old living Republic from the inside. They have no moral relationship with each other at all. The revolutionaries are a strange new growth, springing out of the corpse, poisonous but alive. hartshorn (on all other points, I yield, I yield . . . . . spare my life!!!) ---