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  "thread": {
    "id": 2962,
    "subject": "RTW: Hoof and Horn made this bit up",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2002-02-17T02:42:48+00:00",
    "last": "2002-02-17T02:42:48+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0202-165@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "2002-02-17T02:42:48+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) RTW: Hoof and Horn made this bit up",
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          "text": "Near the beginning of RTW, \"He\" (the person whose adventures are\nchronicled in the third-person passages) has a dream that had me quite\nconfused.  I'm refering to the one He has the first night He and Pig\nsleep at Hound's house, when Hound and Pig talk about how they think He\nis Silk after He has fallen asleep (p. 83).  \n\nIt features several specific events that have not happened to Him yet: the\nblack pen case, Jahlee as Krait's mother, Olivine's eye, the opening lines\nof OBW.  At first I thought it must be a dream of Incanto's, taking place\nin the 1st person storyline, but no, it's definitely one of the\nthird-person passages.\n\nHow can this be?  Did Horn-in-Silk have prophetic dreams in the Whorl?  \nMost of the other dreams in the book seem related to the Narrator's dream\ntravelling, not prophesy, (there's also the dreams the Narrator has about\nScylla which are a third thing).  When the Rajan/Incanto writes about\nJahlee, he never mentions having dreamt about her in the Whorl.\n\nThen I realized that this part was written by Hoof and Hide.  I have a\nhard enough time believing that the Narrator recounted whole conversations\nto them verbatim, much less that he told them in detail about all the\ndreams he had in the Whorl.  So I'm guessing that they made up this dream,\nfor \"literary\" reasons, forshadowing Silk-in-Pig, etc.  Maybe its a way of\nputting into the narrative ideas that didn't fit elsewhere.  For instance\nthe parts of the dream about the Narrator first starting to write\n(including the first draft of the beginnin of OBW) could be based on the\nNarrator telling Hoof and Hide how he got started writing.\n\nOne of the most interesting passages in this dream, is at the beginning:\n\"He...began to write furiously, conscious of how short--how terribly\nshort--a time was left to him.\"  Is this Horn's spirit, knowing that he\nonly has a limited time in Silk's body, urging him to write before Horn's\nspirit fades away?\n\n-Rostrum"
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