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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3004",
    "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it.  Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 3004,
    "subject": "Frank Black",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2002-03-01T21:30:19+00:00",
    "last": "2002-03-01T22:30:24+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0203-253@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Seth Lombardi",
        "address": "sethlombardi at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-03-01T21:30:19+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Frank Black",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Here's a possible GW pop music connection:\n(on the subject of music from a few posts back)\nAnyone listen to Frank Black? Former lead singer of the Pixies? This guy has \na strong science fiction flavor: some of his songs paint melancholy \npost-apocalyptic or extraterrestrial landscapes with great skill. He also \nhas an obsession with Ray Bradbury, even going as far as to name an album \nafter him (The Cult of Ray).\nAnyway, I got his newest, Dog in Sand a few months back. I was dumbstruck by \none song that, well. . . it reminds me a LOT of the BOTNS. Mainly because it \nhas the word \"pelagic\" in it. It's hard to believe a sci-fi freak pop music \nstar could pick that word randomly. Anyway, here are the lyrics. I had to \nfind them on the web as I do not have the album of the liner notes with me, \nand it does not designate the chorus or which parts are repeated. I highly \nrecommend you get this album or anything else by him.\n\nYou know, now that I think about it...tell me this isn't a love song to an \nUndine!! :)\n\nThe Swimmer\n\nin the wake of his chariot\nyou swam toward the latitudes\nleaving for happier times\nflorida far behind\ntrying your best you were\nignoring the rescuers\nyou'd gone so very long\nyou were so very strong\nthe scene was so tragic\nbut that was the magic\nwill you never drown?\nwill you learn to use\nsome forgotten part some forgotten part?\nare you going down where the ballyhoos and the tritons are?\nyou were so incredible\nfinding all the edible\nprize of the sea\nprize of the sea\nin the wake of his chariot\nhe swam toward the latitudes\nleaving for happier times\nflorida far behind\nin the division pelagic\nyou where choragic"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0203-254@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "William Ansley",
        "address": "wansley at warwick.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-03-01T22:30:24+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Frank Black",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0203-253@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "\"Seth Lombardi\" <sethlombardi at hotmail.com> wrote:\nHere's a possible GW pop music connection:\n(on the subject of music from a few posts back)\nAnyone listen to Frank Black\n[...]\nAnyway, I got his newest, Dog in Sand a few months back. I was dumbstruck by"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "one song that, well. . . it reminds me a LOT of the BOTNS. Mainly because it"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "has the word \"pelagic\" in it. It's hard to believe a sci-fi freak pop music"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "star could pick that word randomly. "
        },
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          "text": "[...]\n\nFrank Black certainly may be a Gene Wolfe fan, but even if he has never read\nWolfe, his use of \"pelagic\" could hardly be considered random. The song you\nquote (I have omitted the lyrics from my quote of you message, above) refers\nto the mid-ocean. To quote Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, pelagic\nmeans:\n\n\"of, relating to, or living or occurring in the open sea : OCEANIC\"\n\nSo Frank Black was merely using an uncommon word appropriately. Since Gene Wolfe\nhas practically made a career out of this, Black may have been imitating him,\nbut I find it far from certain, especially since the rest of the song doesn't\nseem, to me at least, to have much resonance with TBotNS.\n\nWilliam Ansley"
        }
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