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  "thread": {
    "id": 3024,
    "subject": "raising the gods of Ushas",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2002-03-10T02:53:24+00:00",
    "last": "2002-03-10T02:53:24+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0203-320@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-03-10T02:53:24+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) raising the gods of Ushas",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "David DiGiacomo wrote:\n50 SR Severian returns from Yesod . . . . meets Odilo III, Pega, Thais, and\nEata (V, ch. 44-46)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "I'm with you up to here."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "150 SR The Sleeper awakens, raises up Pega, Thais, and Odilo."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "??!?!?  How do you know that The Sleeper raises them?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Right. I don't. He seems to have intent; and from the text he seems to have\nthe ability (unless that power stopped once the white fountain was in\nplace).  There are half-glipmses of the bower where he\nwrites/dictates/telepathizes the manuscript THE URTH OF THE NEW SUN, and I\nhad a sense that in one or another of these there was a hint of other\ndemigods present or soon to be present.  (Maybe even something like, \"as\nsoon as I finish this story, I'll go wake 'em up.\")\n\nThe final zinger, about \"here is where the other gods sleep,\" might only be\na zinger in the pedestrian time-sense: showing that once again, Severian\nhas no idea how long he has been away from a given timeframe (i.e., he\nexpected to see the other \"gods\" as live old people--surprise, they are\nlong dead), but he is starting to get the hang of it at last and his\ncomputations are closer than in previous cases.\n\nBut to me it seems to end on a note that is not downbeat at all, but full\nof wonderous portent and potential.  In a way like TBOTNS ended, where one\nhad the sense that somehow Severian was going to bring the White Fountain\n(and somehow he was related to that funeral mask, and Apu Punchau, etc.),\neven though in that case there was precious little in the way of clues on\nhow he would do all that.  So in my reading, URTH ends like that but with\nfurther closure, because after all the other things we've seen, raising a\nfew corpses is rather trivial (harkens back to Severian's earliest ones:\nTriskele, Typhon, etc.).\n\nStill, it might not happen that way.\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSirius Fiction\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\nNow with UPDATES!\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/"
        }
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