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  "thread": {
    "id": 3062,
    "subject": "Rostrum, take up thy pitchfork",
    "messages": 5,
    "voices": 4,
    "first": "2002-03-21T17:37:48+00:00",
    "last": "2002-03-21T19:50:00+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0203-403@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-03-21T17:37:48+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Rostrum, take up thy pitchfork",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Rostrum,\n\nOkay, we have found the list at Ultan's Library!  (Some of the library rats\nwere using it as a slide for a theme park based on Chutes and Ladders.)\n\nWell, it needs to be updated.  So here, in the meantime I'll give you a\npitchfork with which to begin your hunt for needles in the hay.  Titles\nonly for uncollected stories (stories published up to 1996; collections up\nto STRANGE TRAVELERS) (you can use search engines from there).\n\nThis list is Not Complete.\n\nThe Arimapsian Legacy               CS\nAt the Point of Capricorn           WT Spring 1988\nThe Boy Who Hooked the Sun          WT Spring 1988, YBF #2\nEmpires of Foliage and Flower       CS, Crank! #2\nThe Friendship Light                F&SF 10-89\nGame in the Pope's Head             Ripper!, YBF #2\nGoing to the Beach                  Showcase (Elwood)\nHouston, 1943                       Tropical Chills (Sullivan)\nHow the Bishop Sailed to Inniskeen  Asimov's 12-89\nIt's Very Clean                     Generation (Gerrold)\nKing Under the Mountain             WIF 11/12-70\nLoco Parentis                       ADV\nLord of the Land                    Lovecraft's Legacy, BNH #2\nThe Monday Man                      Monochrome: Readercon Anth.\nThe Old Woman Whose Rolling Pin\n    Is the Sun                      CS\nRead Me                             The Drabble Project\nRemembrance to Come                 Orbit 6\nThe River                           Amazing 5-83\nRobot's Story                       ADV\nThe Sailor Who Sailed After the Sun Grails: Quests of the Dawn (Gilliam)\nThe Seraph from the Sepulcher       Sacred Visions (Greeley)\nSlow Children                       CS\nThe Tale of the Four Accused        Arabesques 2 (Shwartz)\nTarzan of the Grapes                F&SF 6-72, MWALB (Farmer)\nThou Spark of Blood                 WIF 4-70\nTry and Kill it                     Asimov's 10-11/96\n\n\"ADV\" = Again, Dangerous Visions (Ellison)\n\"CS\" = Cheap Street\n\"F&SF\" = The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction\n\"MWALB\" = Mother Was A Lovely Beast\n\"WIF\" = Worlds of If magazine\n\"WT\" = Weird Tales\n\"YBF\" = Year's Best Fantasy\n\"YBH\" = Year's Best Horror"
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          "text": "There's an awful lot of uncollected short stories out there, so I was\nwondering if those of you who have tracked them down might suggest which\nare the most worth chasing.  What are some of the best Wolfe stories not\nfound in the common anthologies (e.g., the ones I have):"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Ah, this is the trickiest part of your request.  First we have to find at\nleast two people who have read a fraction of these stories, then we have to\nargue over rating/ranking them.  Big Job!"
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          "text": "and where can they be found?"
        },
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          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "Eek, you think this is easy?\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSIRIUS FICTION\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\n54 \"Snake's-hands\" left until OP!\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/"
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0203-405@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "2002-03-21T17:57:05+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Rostrum, take up thy pitchfork",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0203-403@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Michael Andre-Driussi wrote:\nThere's an awful lot of uncollected short stories out there, so I was\nwondering if those of you who have tracked them down might suggest which\nare the most worth chasing.  What are some of the best Wolfe stories not\nfound in the common anthologies (e.g., the ones I have):"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Ah, this is the trickiest part of your request.  First we have to find at\nleast two people who have read a fraction of these stories, then we have to\nargue over rating/ranking them.  Big Job!"
        },
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          "text": "I'm sorry.  I had the impression that you and some of the other folks on\nthe list had read a lot of these stories in magazines or elsewhere and\nmight have a favorite to recommend.  I'd hate to go to just pick one at\nrandom, work hard at tracking it down, only to find it as forgettable\nas...that one online about the new president, the name of which I forget.\n\nIf you'd read something as wonderful as \"Tracking Song\" or\n\"Forlessen,\" you wouldn't need to argue about whether to recommend it!\n\n-Rostrum"
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      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0203-406@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "John Barach",
        "address": "jbarach at telusplanet.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-03-21T18:45:51+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Rostrum, take up thy pitchfork",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0203-405@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "There's a fairly good Wolfe bibliography starting at\nhttp://www.locusmag.com/index/s820.html#A19065 and continuing on the\nnext few pages.  I notice, though, that this bibliography doesn't\ncontain anything after 1999, which means it's missing recent stories\nsuch as \"The Walking Sticks\" and \"The Tree Is My Hat.\"  Apparently if\nyou want the more recent updates, you've got to buy their CD-Rom.  =(\n\nJohn"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0203-408@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "John Barach",
        "address": "jbarach at telusplanet.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-03-21T19:33:41+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Rostrum, take up thy pitchfork",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0203-406@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Earlier, I wrote:\nThere's a fairly good Wolfe bibliography starting at\nhttp://www.locusmag.com/index/s820.html#A19065 and continuing on \nthenext few pages.  I notice, though, that this bibliography doesn't\ncontain anything after 1999, which means it's missing recent stories\nsuch as \"The Walking Sticks\" and \"The Tree Is My Hat.\""
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          "text": "I notice that it also doesn't include any reference to The Island of\nDoctor Death and Other Stories and Other Stories.  And since it stops at\n1999, it also doesn't tell you which stories are included in Strange\nTravelers.\n\nJohn"
        }
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0203-409@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Fernando Gouvea",
        "address": "fqgouvea at colby.edu"
      },
      "date": "2002-03-21T19:50:00+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Rostrum, take up thy pitchfork",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0203-408@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "There are several bibliographies online at the LOCUS site. They have one\nfor pre-1984 material, one for 1984-98, and then bibliographies for 1999,\n2000, and 2001. Putting them together should cover pretty much everything.\nFor example, the stories in Strange Travelers are listed in the 1999\nbibliography. Start at www.locusmag.com and you can get to all of these.\n\nFernando\n\n============================================================================\nFernando Q. Gouvea                              \nDept. of Mathematics                            Editor, FOCUS and MAA Online\nColby College                                   http://www.maa.org\nWaterville, ME 04901\nfqgouvea at colby.edu\n\nOn the other hand, you have different fingers."
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