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  "thread": {
    "id": 3063,
    "subject": "rationale for pedantic brush",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2002-03-21T19:20:10+00:00",
    "last": "2002-03-21T19:20:10+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0203-407@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "William Ansley",
        "address": "wansley at warwick.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-03-21T19:20:10+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) rationale for pedantic brush",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Incidentally, the first definition for \"Brush\" at merriam webster online is"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "\"Brushwood\".  I am here going to imply that we use a test to see which of the"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "following relationships hold: leaf: brushwood: tree or leaf: scrubbing brush:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "tree\nCan't brushwood be rough and brown if it's dead?\nI shouldn't beat that to death.  I'll leave it alone.  I'm just saying that"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "simple words often have more than one definition ... and in this case the "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "context just seems to insinuate foliage of somekind.  If you still want to"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "argue about the word, then I will copy all of the dictionary definitions over."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "We are both saying the same thing about new life to decayed things, I'm just"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "saying the new sun is granting a different kind of life rather than a \nresurrection. I guess there is no sense discussing it further - we are \"kind"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "of\" saying the same thing."
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          "text": "When I wrote my original reply to this message, it became quite long and I decided\nto send it just to Marc Aramini. But I also want to address this matter here\nas well. This is a summary of what I said:\n\nWhen Gene Wolfe uses the phrase \"a rough brown brush\" he is not using the word\nbrush to mean underbrush. This can be established purely on the grounds of correct\nEnglish usage.\n\nFirst, I think we all agree that Wolfe is a master of correct English usage\nand seldom if ever makes usage mistakes.\n\nSecond, brush, when used to mean underbrush is a mass noun like water, sand\nor salt. Mass nouns, as a general rule, do not take the indefinte article (\"a\"\nor \"an\") or plural form. Just as you cannot say \"a water leaked out of the hole\nin the bucket\" or \"dump out some sands to lighten the load\" or \"there are too\nmany salts in this stew\" (unless you are talking chemically), you cannot say\n\"he moved through the dense growth, chopping down a brush with every stroke\nof his machete.\"\n\nHowever, the word brush as in \"scrubbing brush\" (or hairbrush or a fox's tail\n[This one's for you, Roy]) is a count noun like cat or chair. Count nouns do\ntake the indefinte article and plural form. Many homographs (different words\nwith identical written forms) occurs as mass and count noun \"twins.\" All of\nmy mass noun examples have count noun homographs (the waters of the Nile, the\nsands of time, Epsom salts).\n\nSo, when Wolfe writes \"a rough brown brush,\" whether he means a scrubbing brush,\na toothbrush, or a hairbrush, he definitely doesn't mean underbrush.\n\nWilliam (the pedantic brush) Ansley"
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