{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3064", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3064, "subject": "mantis picks the hits", "messages": 2, "voices": 2, "first": "2002-03-21T19:52:49+00:00", "last": "2002-03-21T20:37:34+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com" }, "date": "2002-03-21T19:52:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) mantis picks the hits", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Rostrum wrote:\nI'm sorry. I had the impression that you and some of the other folks on\nthe list had read a lot of these stories in magazines or elsewhere and\nmight have a favorite to recommend. I'd hate to go to just pick one at\nrandom, work hard at tracking it down, only to find it as forgettable\nas...that one online about the new president, the name of which I forget." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Right. Well you've just caught me at a bad time for such a thing: recent\ndiscussion about a story that has bugged me for 20 years (\"Hour of Trust\"),\nand then the rediscovery of a (for me literally forgettable) story (\"The\nBlue Mouse\") that imho makes a very nice pairing with the first story\n(slightly raising the value of the second story).\n\nBut to what end? Both are collected; neither is one of my favorites.\nDiscussion bogs down, ceases . . . which is just as well, since where is\nthe enthusiasm anyway?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "If you'd read something as wonderful as \"Tracking Song\" or\n\"Forlessen,\" you wouldn't need to argue about whether to recommend it!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It is too early to say for more recent stories, but stories published\nbefore 1996 have been passed over by Wolfe and his editors many times, so\nthis would be caveat number one. Unlikely to find a \"Tracking Song\" or\n\"Forlessen\" there.\n\nCaveat number two: we argue about everything around here, and something as\nsubjective as ranking of stories seems likely to draw argument (if anybody\nelse has read the stories; if, among this subgroup, anybody can raise the\nergs to respond).\n\nStill.\n\nUrth sort:\nThe Boy Who Hooked the Sun WT Spring 1988, YBF #2\nEmpires of Foliage and Flower CS, Crank! #2\nThe Old Woman Whose Rolling Pin\n Is the Sun CS\n\nThese are stories related to Urth.\n\nBubble sort: up/down.\n\nUP\nThe Arimapsian Legacy CS\nAt the Point of Capricorn WT Spring 1988\nGame in the Pope's Head Ripper!, YBF #2\nGoing to the Beach Showcase (Elwood)\nHouston, 1943 Tropical Chills (Sullivan)\nLord of the Land Lovecraft's Legacy, BNH #2\nThe Monday Man Monochrome: Readercon Anth.\nRemembrance to Come Orbit 6\nThe Sailor Who Sailed After the Sun Grails: Quests of the Dawn (Gilliam)\nThe Seraph from the Sepulcher Sacred Visions (Greeley)\nThe Tale of the Four Accused Arabesques 2 (Shwartz)\n\nDOWN\nThe Friendship Light F&SF 10-89\nHow the Bishop Sailed to Inniskeen Asimov's 12-89\nIt's Very Clean Generation (Gerrold)\nKing Under the Mountain WIF 11/12-70\nLoco Parentis ADV\nRobot's Story ADV\nTarzan of the Grapes F&SF 6-72, MWALB (Farmer)\nTry and Kill it Asimov's 10-11/96\n\nBubble sort: UP refined\n\nUP-HIGH\nAt the Point of Capricorn WT Spring 1988\nGame in the Pope's Head Ripper!, YBF #2\nRemembrance to Come Orbit 6\nThe Sailor Who Sailed After the Sun Grails: Quests of the Dawn (Gilliam)\nThe Seraph from the Sepulcher Sacred Visions (Greeley)\nThe Tale of the Four Accused Arabesques 2 (Shwartz)\n\nUP-LOW\nThe Arimapsian Legacy CS\nGoing to the Beach Showcase (Elwood)\nHouston, 1943 Tropical Chills (Sullivan)\nLord of the Land Lovecraft's Legacy, BNH #2\nThe Monday Man Monochrome: Readercon Anth.\n\n\nBubble sort: UP-HIGH refined\n\nUP-HIGH-HIGH\nGame in the Pope's Head Ripper!, YBF #2\nThe Sailor Who Sailed After the Sun Grails: Quests of the Dawn (Gilliam)\nThe Seraph from the Sepulcher Sacred Visions (Greeley)\n\nUP-HIGH-LOW\nAt the Point of Capricorn WT Spring 1988\nRemembrance to Come Orbit 6\nThe Tale of the Four Accused Arabesques 2 (Shwartz)\n\n\n=====\n\"ADV\" = Again, Dangerous Visions (Ellison)\n\"CS\" = Cheap Street\n\"F&SF\" = The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction\n\"MWALB\" = Mother Was A Lovely Beast\n\"WIF\" = Worlds of If magazine\n\"WT\" = Weird Tales\n\"YBF\" = Year's Best Fantasy\n\"YBH\" = Year's Best Horror\n======\n\nThere! Let the disappointment and quibbling begin!\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSirius Fiction\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\nNow with UPDATES!\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2002-03-21T20:37:34+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) mantis picks the hits", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Mantis proclaims:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "There! Let the disappointment and quibbling begin!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Very well." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "DOWN\nLoco Parentis ADV\nRobot's Story ADV" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Perhaps it's simply because these (along with \"With the Lafayette \nEscadrille\") were my first Wolfe encounter of the Gene kind, but\nI'm rather fond of both of them.\n\n\"Robot's Story\" is, to be fair, slight and somewhat dated - it \nis very much a product of the '60s, in the way that much of DV \nand A,DV are.\n\n\"Loco Parentis\" is neither slight nor dated, and is (to my mind)\nrather chilling in the way Wolfe does so well. Not _as_ chilling\nas, say, FIFTH HEAD, but in the same kind of way.\n\nTarzan of the Grapes F&SF 6-72, MWALB (Farmer)\n\nThe only other story on the \"uncollected Wolfe\" list I believe I\nhave read, this is slight indeed and quite unmemorable." } ] } ] }