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  "thread": {
    "id": 3098,
    "subject": "vanished people and mirrors",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2002-03-26T23:31:02+00:00",
    "last": "2002-03-26T23:31:02+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0203-476@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2002-03-26T23:31:02+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) vanished people and mirrors",
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          "text": "Here is a quote that at least links the mirrors of Fr. Inire from Shadow of \nthe Torturer with In Green's Jungles:\n\n\"The vanished People are like that at times, a single individual counting as \nmany, and many coalescing into two or three.  Or one.  At such times it seemed \nto the nman with the black sword that they stood between mirrors that they \ncarried with them.  Or rather, that they had stood so once but had stepped \naway long ago, and that the doubled and redoubled images they had left begind \nhad taken on lives of their own.\" (pg 263 SFBC BOTSS, In Green's Jungles ch. \n4)\n\nHe then talks about \"cruel saw grass\" and \"twisted bushes\" that obscure the \ncity and tunr it into an illusion.\n\nHere is another example of the low G of green cathcing up with the narrator:\n\"They came to a steep stairway after long walking, and the man with the black \nsword, who had supposed that he trod level ground, was amazed to behold a \nlower city beneath the City of the Inhumi ... there was a walkway beside the \nriver, narrow in places and narrower yet in others.  And in some wholly \ncrumbled away, leaving only small stones that rolled beneath the feet of the \nman with the black sword, threatenting to carry him into the water.\" after he \ngets washed away, he sees trees whose \"topmost leaves were among the stars\" \n(266).  these are very tall trees, taller even than California's. Small stones \nthat roll don't seem very passable for a man of horn's stockiness, unless they \naren't as treacherous as they sound.\n\nAlso, \"The man who had been leader lay beside him, and it seemed to him that \nthe TREES AND VINES LEANED TOWARD THEM TO OVERHEAR THEIR TALK, and wept.  I \nwill not tell you how tall those trees are, or their thickness through the \ntrunk; you woulnd not credit anything I said.  But I will say this.  The trees \nyou have seen are bushes, and the roots of many of the great trees on Green \ncould geave the soild of this big farm from one end to the other and from one \nside to the other making hills and valleys of its flat land.\" (300).\n\nLater, \"Horn\" in fava's story threatens \"Mee\" with a tree: all he has to do is \nswing her into one to take care of her.\n\nAlso, describing Fava in astral travel: \"I had said that she could no longer \nfly, but she seemed to fly as she raced back to me. 'some men' she dropped \nbreathless to the floor. ' Are coming. They saw me kiss you. ...'\" (346)\nDoesn't this sound like low G stuff? Does she say \"some men\" before she lands, \nor does she actually drop to the floor?  Later a slug gun is fired and the \nbullet \"ricocheted again and agin, echoing and re-echoing up and down the \nsewer as it screamed through the reeking air.\" (361) How much can a slug \nricochet in normal gravity?  \nI've really tried to find a definitive reaction that will indicate that \ngravity is not normal on Green, but I can't seem to for sure if you won't \nexcept the astral travel cliff incidents, even though Silk claims that the \nstaff he creates gains substance and real \"weight\". (and no scenes on Green \nare directly narrated except through astral travel -> a few memories, and the \nthird person stories of Incanto, but no coherent narrative thrust in the first \nperson like we get in On Blue's Waters for Blue, so if you don't accept astral \nscenes it is very hard to prove anything about the gravity of green at all)\nMarc"
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