{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3140", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3140, "subject": "5HC inclusion", "messages": 2, "voices": 2, "first": "2002-04-11T03:36:56+00:00", "last": "2002-04-11T11:14:54+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "maa32", "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu" }, "date": "2002-04-11T03:36:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) 5HC inclusion", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was going to comment on the inclusion of Fifth Head of Cerberus in Mr. \nGevers' fine article as well, Blattid, but then I decided against it. Since \nyou brought it up, I am also sure it's not in the same \"universe\", but it \ndoes have some interesting thematic connections. And I think it is the \n\"hardest\" single Wolfe novel around. I just didn't get it the first time \nthrough - and you are spot on with the depressing aspect (oddly enough, I got \nthe same feeling from Soldier of Arete, and a little from Urth of the New Sun, \ntoo.)\nToo bad there are 12 novels in the Sun series (for sure): it screws up the 11 \nstations of the Kaballah tree! Damn you, Urth of the New Sun! Hey, a tree! \nThe Briah cycle! The trees are inescapable. I'll shut up now.\n\nSpeaking of depressing:\nAnd anybody read the introduction to Wolfe's poetry collection, \"For \nRosemary\"? He really does seem sad most (or, a lot of)the time. His personal \ncomments are a strange mixture of extreme self-abnegation coupled with an \nobvious pride that sneaks out every once in a while. Does he really believe \nwhat he writes won't get published? Sometimes he sounds so sad, other times \nhe makes comments like: \"everything I write is great\". Remember that one \nessay in Castle of Days ( I think) where he talks about where he gets his \ninspiration from? Waking up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat and \nrealizing that your parents and your friends are long dead, calling out in \ndreams to a mother who can no longer hold you ... > I have no training in \npsychology or anything, but sometimes I wonder if he is a happy guy.\n\nMarc Aramini" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "matthew.malthouse", "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk" }, "date": "2002-04-11T11:14:54+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) 5HC inclusion", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On 11/04/2002 04:36:56 maa32 wrote:\n\n[Advance warning, this is probably trivial nonsense ;-) ]" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Too bad there are 12 novels in the Sun series (for sure): it screws up\nthe 11\nstations of the Kaballah tree! Damn you, Urth of the New Sun! Hey, a\ntree!\nThe Briah cycle! The trees are inescapable. I'll shut up now." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "12.\n\n 5 + 4 + 3 which is neat.\n\nExcept that 4 + 1 + 4 + 3 ain't so.\n\nBut if we're counting, what's 'A Novel'? If asked I'd have said that\nTBotNS was a novel in four volumes, TUotNS in one, TBotLS in four and\nTBotSS in three.\n\nSo 1 + 1 + 1 + 1\n\nOne might argue (although I would not) that Severian and Silk = 5 + 7.\n\nIn each multi volume case there's a contiguity of narative that makes them\nsingle entities. Contrast with Le Guin's Earthsea which I'd say was three\n(now four) novels becasue although they all feature Ged, and in the first\n'trilogy' he's the protagonist, they are not contiguous.\n\nMatthew" } ] } ] }