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  "thread": {
    "id": 3174,
    "subject": "\"Trip, Trap\" and Orbits",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2002-04-19T16:05:59+00:00",
    "last": "2002-04-19T16:05:59+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<urth-v0204-696@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-04-19T16:05:59+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) \"Trip, Trap\" and Orbits",
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          "text": "Adam Stephanides told the story, just in time, too, since I would have done\nit in another hour or two.\n\nThe only thing I would add is that the story itself was published in Damon\nKnight's ORBIT 2 (1967).  And that Gene Wolfe had said something to Damon\nKnight along the lines of how that experience (being\nedited/mentored/published in such company/etc.) had made him a writer (he\nhad a few stories published already); and Damon Knight scoffed and said\nsomething like, \"I didn't grow you from a bean.\"\n\nOnto other topics: I mentioned before the notion of using \"cyclers\" between\nEarth and Mars, and at that time I wrote that they were in Hohmann orbits.\nIf I said \"like Hohmann orbits\" that would be closer.\n\nIn any event, the notion started with a paper by Buzz Aldrin regarding\n\"Mars Transit System.\"  The cyclers (big habitats) drift in continuous,\nstable orbits that cross both Earth's and Mars' orbits: the short leg is 5\nmonths and the long leg is 10 to 21 months.\n\nIf I understand it correctly, the short leg is the trip from Earth to Mars,\nand it would take at least 5 months (I've seen a figure of 6 to 8 months).\nThe long leg is the trip from Mars to Earth, and it would basically take a\nyear or two, depending.\n\n(To reduce these travel times, the idea is to use multiple cyclers.  This\ncreates a sort of \"conveyor belt\" between Earth and Mars.)\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSirius Fiction\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\nA PEACE timeline online NOW! Come see!\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/"
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