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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3200",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 3200,
    "subject": "Prehsitoric Starcrossers",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2002-04-26T01:40:37+00:00",
    "last": "2002-04-26T15:02:00+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0204-801@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeff Wilson",
        "address": "jwilson at io.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-04-26T02:38:01+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Prehsitoric Starcrossers",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "     From: \n          \"Tony Ellis\" <LittleSense at necronomicon.co.uk>"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Jeff Wilson wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "How do you explain the remarkable similarity of form and the ability\nto interbreed, then?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Remarkable similarity of form to, and ability to interbreed with, human\nbeings, you mean? The explanation is that abos -are- human beings. They are\nthe descendants of prehistoric colonists from Earth. Wolfe goes out of his\nway to prime us with this idea in all three novellas in 5HC, and that's good\nenough for me."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I'll bite; how did the prehistoric societies travel the stars without\nleaving any hint of their ability to do so in either the story or the\narchaeological record?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "sig",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Jeff Wilson\nHow Am I Posting? 1-800-555-6789\n\"If your SecOp can see you, so can the enemy.\" -Cpt Law\n\n\n-- "
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0204-802@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Andy Robertson",
        "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "2002-04-26T01:40:37+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Prehsitoric Starcrossers",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0204-801@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "----- Original Message -----"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "From: \"Jeff Wilson\" <jwilson at io.com>\nI'll bite; how did the prehistoric societies travel the stars without\nleaving any hint of their ability to do so in either the story or the\narchaeological record?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Oh Pooh\n\nLook, the Abos are creatures of the Dreamtime.  They are very strongly based\non Australian aborigines: even down to their name.\n\nCreatures of the Dreamtime.   That is why they come from Atlantis, Mu or\nPoictisme.\n\n\n    hartshorn"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0204-806@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "StoneOx17",
        "address": "stoneox17 at aol.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-04-26T15:02:00+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Prehsitoric Starcrossers",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0204-802@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Tony Ellis writes:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Jeff Wilson wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "How do you explain the remarkable similarity of form and the ability\nto interbreed, then?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Remarkable similarity of form to, and ability to interbreed with, human\nbeings, you mean? The explanation is that abos -are- human beings. They are\nthe descendants of prehistoric colonists from Earth. Wolfe goes out of his\nway to prime us with this idea in all three novellas in 5HC, and that's \ngood\nenough for me."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "To throw mud into already murky waters, why is everybody assuming \nthat the abos can interbreed with humans?  I don't believe that Roy \nTrenchard is Victor's father.  I don't have my copy of 5HC handy, but \nsomewhere in Marsch's interview of Roy, Roy says (paraphrasing \nfrom memory) that Marsch shouldn't believe the ugly rumors, and \nthat he was married to Victor's mother when Victor was born.  My \ncontention is that he is misunderstanding the rumors.\n\nThis gives another way in which Veil's hypothesis might be true.  \nAfter the war with the original French colonists, all the records were\nlost, so the \"French\" women the next wave of colonists married \nmight have mostly been abos.  If their children are all abos, and the\ngirls marry humans, eventually the whole Annese population will \nbecome abos.  This hypothesis dovetails nicely with the speculation\nI've seen in this list that, because of the genetic experiments at la \nmaison du chien, the population of Sainte Croix is becoming more\nand more like No. 5 and Maitre.\n\nI'm becoming more and more convinced that, unlike Peace (where\nI think there's some real truth at the heart of the labyrinth), 5HC is\none of those optical illusions where you either see two vases or a\nface, but there's no way to tell which.\n\nThanks,\n\nPeter S."
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
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