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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3222",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 3222,
    "subject": "Boy Called Frog and interplanetary war",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2002-05-07T00:41:26+00:00",
    "last": "2002-05-07T15:13:40+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0205-884@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-05-07T00:41:26+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Boy Called Frog and interplanetary war",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Blattid quoted me and wrote:\nTo Josh Geller: But I don't recall an interplanetary war in \"The Tale of a\nBoy Called Frog.\""
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Dude, the whole bit where Frog's brother comes and they fight and they build\nthe city."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Umm, that's the Romulus and Remus bit, iirc.\n\nWhen I read Romulus and Remus, I don't see \"interplanetary war\" . . . do\nyou?  Fish and Frog are certainly urban vs. rural, without question, but I\nmyself cannot see planet vs. planet.\n\nThe tale has ways of saying \"offworld.\"  The mother of Spring Wind clearly\nlives offworld, \"beyond the shores of Urth.\"  \"The World of Shadows\" is\nalso offworld, and if it has a real location in the solar system it would\nbe our Pluto, the planet Dis of the Commonwealth.\n\nThe vocabulary is there to speak of interplanetary war in the story of Fish\nand Frog, but I do not see it being spoken of in the story.  Well wait: I\nsee it in the part about Spring Wind--is that the point that Josh Geller\nwas trying to make?  Spring Wind is out there, battling across the solar\nsystem--yes.  But this is far and above beyond the level that Fish and Frog\nare at, fighting first together for their lost legacy on/of Urth, then\nfighting each other over it.\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSirius Fiction\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\nPEACE: a timeline WITH dates! Come see!\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0205-887@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Josh Geller",
        "address": "dclxvi at dclxvi.best.vwh.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-05-07T02:26:17+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Boy Called Frog and interplanetary war",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0205-884@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On Mon, 6 May 2002, Michael Andre-Driussi wrote:\nThe vocabulary is there to speak of interplanetary war in the story of Fish\nand Frog, but I do not see it being spoken of in the story.  Well wait: I\nsee it in the part about Spring Wind--is that the point that Josh Geller\nwas trying to make?  Spring Wind is out there, battling across the solar\nsystem--yes.  But this is far and above beyond the level that Fish and Frog\nare at, fighting first together for their lost legacy on/of Urth, then\nfighting each other over it."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "It seems to me that there was a point where one or both of the brothers\ngot help from Spring Wind's people, but I could be mistaken. At some point\nI'll look it up."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0205-896@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-05-07T15:13:40+00:00",
      "subject": "RE: (urth) Boy Called Frog and interplanetary war",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0205-887@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Mantis:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "The vocabulary is there to speak of interplanetary war in the story of\nFish\nand Frog, but I do not see it being spoken of in the story.  ..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Josh:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "It seems to me that there was a point where one or both of the brothers\ngot help from Spring Wind's people, but I could be mistaken. At some point\nI'll look it up."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Me:\n\nWhat Josh said -- that is my memory also, and what I was referring to. I'm\na little frustrated because I reread the thing like two or three months ago\nand now I just can't recall for certain, but I'm _pretty_ sure Fish calls\nfor help from SW."
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
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