# Boy Called Frog and interplanetary war *The Urth list — 3 messages, 3 voices, 07 May 2002* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Michael Andre-Driussi *07 May 2002, 00:41* >> Blattid quoted me and wrote: >> To Josh Geller: But I don't recall an interplanetary war in "The Tale of a >> Boy Called Frog." > Dude, the whole bit where Frog's brother comes and they fight and they build > the city. Umm, that's the Romulus and Remus bit, iirc. When I read Romulus and Remus, I don't see "interplanetary war" . . . do you? Fish and Frog are certainly urban vs. rural, without question, but I myself cannot see planet vs. planet. The tale has ways of saying "offworld." The mother of Spring Wind clearly lives offworld, "beyond the shores of Urth." "The World of Shadows" is also offworld, and if it has a real location in the solar system it would be our Pluto, the planet Dis of the Commonwealth. The vocabulary is there to speak of interplanetary war in the story of Fish and Frog, but I do not see it being spoken of in the story. Well wait: I see it in the part about Spring Wind--is that the point that Josh Geller was trying to make? Spring Wind is out there, battling across the solar system--yes. But this is far and above beyond the level that Fish and Frog are at, fighting first together for their lost legacy on/of Urth, then fighting each other over it. =mantis= Sirius Fiction booklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley PEACE: a timeline WITH dates! Come see! http://www.siriusfiction.com/ --- ### Josh Geller *07 May 2002, 02:26 · follows Michael Andre-Driussi* > On Mon, 6 May 2002, Michael Andre-Driussi wrote: > The vocabulary is there to speak of interplanetary war in the story of Fish > and Frog, but I do not see it being spoken of in the story. Well wait: I > see it in the part about Spring Wind--is that the point that Josh Geller > was trying to make? Spring Wind is out there, battling across the solar > system--yes. But this is far and above beyond the level that Fish and Frog > are at, fighting first together for their lost legacy on/of Urth, then > fighting each other over it. It seems to me that there was a point where one or both of the brothers got help from Spring Wind's people, but I could be mistaken. At some point I'll look it up. --- ### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes *07 May 2002, 15:13 · follows Josh Geller* Mantis: > The vocabulary is there to speak of interplanetary war in the story of > Fish > and Frog, but I do not see it being spoken of in the story. ... Josh: > It seems to me that there was a point where one or both of the brothers > got help from Spring Wind's people, but I could be mistaken. At some point > I'll look it up. Me: What Josh said -- that is my memory also, and what I was referring to. I'm a little frustrated because I reread the thing like two or three months ago and now I just can't recall for certain, but I'm _pretty_ sure Fish calls for help from SW. ---