{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3224", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3224, "subject": "Major new Wolfe story online", "messages": 8, "voices": 6, "first": "2002-05-07T04:18:34+00:00", "last": "2002-05-07T23:41:10+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nicholas Gevers", "address": "vermoulian at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2002-05-07T04:18:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Major new Wolfe story online", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "GW's new story, \"Under Hill\", a sort of mediaeval\nromance by the look of things, is now online on THE\nINFINITE MATRIX (www.infinitematrix.net). Hurrah!\n\n--Nick Gevers." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andy Robertson", "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk" }, "date": "2002-05-07T10:27:48+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thank you!! But actually it seems quite minor.\n\nThe theme is that life is preferrable to peace, or more succintly that\nPeace = Death. It is a nice little thing, but I spy no depths in it. Does\nanyone differ?\n\n\n hartshorn\n\n\n\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: \"Nicholas Gevers\" \nTo: \nSent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:18 AM\nSubject: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Stephanides", "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2002-05-07T21:17:16+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "So Wolfe is a Kai Lung fan. I had no idea.\n\nI've seen the \"princess on a glass mountain\" motif twice before: in a novel\ncalled THE GLASS MOUNTAIN by Leonard Wolf, which I haven't read, and in a\nFractured Fairy Tale (in which the rescuer was a giant frog). Given this,\nI'd expect that it occurs in some genuine fairy tale or medieval romance,\nbut nothing comes to mind.\n\nLike hartshorn, I didn't see any hidden depths to the story, at least on\nfirst reading.\n\n--Adam" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2002-05-07T21:20:24+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I've seen the \"princess on a glass mountain\" motif twice before: in a\nnovel called THE GLASS MOUNTAIN by Leonard Wolf, which I haven't read,\nand in a Fractured Fairy Tale (in which the rescuer was a giant frog). \nGiven this, I'd expect that it occurs in some genuine fairy tale or\nmedieval romance, but nothing comes to mind." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It appears in a number of places. Here's one version:\n\nhttp://www.darsie.net/talesofwonder/pgm.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Davis", "address": "matthew at michaelscycles.freeserve.co.uk" }, "date": "2002-05-07T21:00:51+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "----- Original Message -----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: \"Adam Stephanides\" \nTo: \nSent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:17 PM\nSubject: Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online\nSo Wolfe is a Kai Lung fan. I had no idea.\n\nI've seen the \"princess on a glass mountain\" motif twice before: in a\nnovel\ncalled THE GLASS MOUNTAIN by Leonard Wolf, which I haven't read, and in a\nFractured Fairy Tale (in which the rescuer was a giant frog). Given this,\nI'd expect that it occurs in some genuine fairy tale or medieval romance,\nbut nothing comes to mind." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The \"princess and the glass hill\" by andrew lang\nhttp://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=LanBlue.sgm&images=image\ns/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=33&division=div1\n\nwhich I found by this nifty index to Lang's fairy tales\nhttp://users.ece.gatech.edu/~emily/Docs/lang.html#p\n\nBut does the title allude to anything? One of the hobbits went under the\nfalse name \"Mr Underhill\" but nothing else leaps to mind." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andy Robertson", "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk" }, "date": "2002-05-07T20:20:54+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Traditionally the fairies, the Sidhe, the \"little people\", live \"Under the\nhill\". This derives from a confusion of old Celtic burial mounds.\n\n\n\n\n----- Original Message -----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: \"Matthew Davis\" \nTo: \nSent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:00 PM\nSubject: Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online\n\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: \"Adam Stephanides\" \nTo: \nSent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:17 PM\nSubject: Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "So Wolfe is a Kai Lung fan. I had no idea.\n\nI've seen the \"princess on a glass mountain\" motif twice before: in a\nnovel\ncalled THE GLASS MOUNTAIN by Leonard Wolf, which I haven't read, and in\na\nFractured Fairy Tale (in which the rescuer was a giant frog). Given\nthis,\nI'd expect that it occurs in some genuine fairy tale or medieval\nromance,\nbut nothing comes to mind." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The \"princess and the glass hill\" by andrew lang" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=LanBlue.sgm&images=image" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "s/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=33&division=div1" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "which I found by this nifty index to Lang's fairy tales\nhttp://users.ece.gatech.edu/~emily/Docs/lang.html#p\n\nBut does the title allude to anything? One of the hobbits went under the\nfalse name \"Mr Underhill\" but nothing else leaps to mind.\n\n\n--" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Josh Geller", "address": "dclxvi at dclxvi.best.vwh.net" }, "date": "2002-05-07T23:35:04+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, 7 May 2002, Matthew Davis wrote:\n\"Adam Stephanides\" writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "So Wolfe is a Kai Lung fan. I had no idea." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I've seen the \"princess on a glass mountain\" motif twice before: in a\nnovel called THE GLASS MOUNTAIN by Leonard Wolf, which I haven't read,\nand in a Fractured Fairy Tale (in which the rescuer was a giant frog).\nGiven this, I'd expect that it occurs in some genuine fairy tale or\nmedieval romance,\nbut nothing comes to mind." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The \"princess and the glass hill\" by andrew lang\nhttp://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=LanBlue.sgm&images=image\ns/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=33&division=div1" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "which I found by this nifty index to Lang's fairy tales\nhttp://users.ece.gatech.edu/~emily/Docs/lang.html#p" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "But does the title allude to anything? One of the hobbits went under the\nfalse name \"Mr Underhill\" but nothing else leaps to mind." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "'Under Hill' is an old. old euphemism for what's often called 'Faerie'\n('faerie' is also a euphemism; this is the land of the Dead we are\ntalking about (see my post with the subject 'Mound Dwellers')).\n\nThe main fairy in John Crowley's \"Little, Big\" is called Mrs. Underhill." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Josh Geller", "address": "dclxvi at dclxvi.best.vwh.net" }, "date": "2002-05-07T23:41:10+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Major new Wolfe story online", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, 7 May 2002, Andy Robertson wrote:\nTraditionally the fairies, the Sidhe, the \"little people\", live \"Under the\nhill\". This derives from a confusion of old Celtic burial mounds." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "They are not just Celtic. In fact, the best source I know for information\non these ancient religious/magickal practices is the Icelandic sagas.\n\nAlso it's not always an artificial mound. Often it is a natural hill or\nmountain. What matters is that it have the proper alignment to the Sky,\nbasically. Kings and priests and so on are buried in these places, from\nwhich they are sometimes held to have returned (see my post with the\nsubject \"Mound Dwellers\")." } ] } ] }