{
  "export": {
    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3239",
    "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it.  Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.",
    "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'"
  },
  "archive": "urth",
  "thread": {
    "id": 3239,
    "subject": "PEACE: Morryster's _Marvells of Science_ (SPOILERS for",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2002-05-09T14:05:09+00:00",
    "last": "2002-05-10T03:14:29+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0205-935@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Adam Stephanides",
        "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-05-09T14:05:09+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) PEACE: Morryster's _Marvells of Science_ (SPOILERS for",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "on 5/6/02 11:47 PM, Michael Andre-Driussi at mantis at siriusfiction.com wrote:\nDoes THE DEVIL'S DICTIONARY (1911) have some reference to that title?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Not the 1911 book, apparently, but THE UNABRIDGED DEVIL'S DICTIONARY (2000)\ned. David E. Schultz & S. T. Joshi, iirc.  Unfortunately my library's copy\nis charged out, so I can't check the context."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Yes, then Lovecraft used it later, but I've misplaced the note on which\nstory that was."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "\"The Festival\" (as the magic Google rapidly revealed)."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "The indirect quote that Adam refers to is not included in the Bierce story,\nnor is it germane to that story, yet the story itself is rather germane\ntoward PEACE as a whole, or so it seems to me"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Perhaps I'm being dense, but I'm not sure how.  The Bierce story  is about a\nman so affected by something he reads in a book that it leads to his death;\nWeer certainly reads a lot, but I don't think his reading was responsible\nfor his life having gone sour.\n\n--Adam"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0205-949@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-05-10T03:14:29+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) PEACE: Morryster's _Marvells of Science_ (SPOILERS for",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0205-935@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Adam Stephanides wrote:\nPerhaps I'm being dense, but I'm not sure how.  The Bierce story  is about a\nman so affected by something he reads in a book that it leads to his death;\nWeer certainly reads a lot, but I don't think his reading was responsible\nfor his life having gone sour."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Actually I wasn't thinking of that angle!  Even though I've often wondered\nabout the relationship between \"Life\" and \"Books\" in PEACE, and \"Life's\ntrue experience missed while reading books\" and \"Weer's possible attempts\nto make his life retroactively better by rewriting it as fiction\" . . .\n\nNo, I was just referring to how in \"The Man and the Snake,\" the victim has\nan authentic experience, including transport back in time, under conditions\nthat are not really authentic.  That tradition of ghost stories, where it\nis all explainable as being some naturalistic thing in the end . . . yet\nstill, something real happened to the victim, if only a hallucination.\n\nThis ghost-story \"which is it\" aspect, as well as the implied \"power of the\nbook\" part (especially as Gold reads to Weer from \"The Necronomicon\" that\nhe wrote, and it seems to be really working in its weird way), was all that\nI meant to point toward.\n\n(And how did that goofy toy snake get in the room, anyhow?  It starts to\nremind me of the mumble-mumble at the end of DO ANDROIDS DREAM OF ELECTRIC\nSHEEP?, but of course PKD takes the dingus and runs a PKD pattern with it.)\n\n(Just a misplaced child's toy?  A gag item, left over from some holiday\nparty? I wonder if a story has ever been published about, say, \"The Whoopie\nCushion of Enlightenment\"?)\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSirius Fiction\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\n31 copies of \"Snake's-hands\" until OP!\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/"
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
}