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  "thread": {
    "id": 324,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v006.n023",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1998-01-31T12:40:07+00:00",
    "last": "1998-01-31T12:40:07+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0006-0476@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Tony Ellis",
        "address": "tellis at futurenet.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "1998-01-31T12:40:07+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v006.n023",
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          "text": "                                                                      31/01/98\n                                                                      12:21\n RE>Digest urth.v006.n023"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Jim Jordan wrote:\nNod is the pre-Adamite man-ape who rules the land of Nod."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Yes. In one of the essays in Castle of the Otter Wolfe argues\nthat the Nephilim were the offspring of early humanity and one of\nthe many human-like species knocking around at the time. \n(Which essay? Sorry, can't remember, and the book's back\nhome...)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "CRCulver wrote:\nWoah, Gene Wolfe himself has said that there are only 2 chiliads between\nour present time here inA.D. 1998, and Severian's time. (I think it is in the\nPeople interview)."
        },
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Careful. If you look at the transcript of the interview, you'll see that\nWolfe has been asked TWO questions: \"How far in the future is the\nNew Sun series set?\", and \"How much time elapses between\nTyphon and Severian?\" His answer \"between 1000 and 2000 years\"\nis almost certainly to the latter question."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "David Lebling wrote:\nEvery ruler post-Typhon is an autarch:\ndid they each carve a mountain? If each reigned 10 years, we only have\ntime for 100 mountains, assuming that they _all_ did one..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Do we know how many carved mountains Severian saw? I've \nalways had the impression it wasn't that high a number, maybe\na dozen or so, but perhaps I just wasn't reading very closely.\nAnybody got the book to hand?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "CRCulver wrote:\nApu-Punchau1 was Severian1, but did not succeed in bringing the New Sun back,\nand for some reason (Mr. Driussi says it is entropy) is cast back in time.\n\nApu-Punchau2 - the man who Severian2 eventually becomes after the\nUrth-to-Ushas thing. He is, in my opinion, the person buried in the Citadel\nnecropolis."
        },
        {
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          "text": "I don't think it makes sense to talk about 2 Apu-Punchaus. It's \ncertainly not enough to say that Severian1 was sent back in time \n\"for some reason\" and leave it at that! If Severian1 never brought the\nNew Sun, then he neither gained the power to travel back in time nor \nbecame a significant player in the cosmic struggle. Why should\n\"entropy\", or anything else, take the trouble to cast him back in time?\nWhere is the suggestion in the novels that this happened?\n\nIt seems to me that in Severian1's universe, there either was no\nApu-Punchau because Severian never went back in time to become\nhim, or, because both the Severian1 timeline and the Severian2\ntimeline branch off from the same pre-historic trunk, there was but\nit was the same \"Severian2\" Apu-Punchau we meet in UOTHS."
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