{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3264", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3264, "subject": "Woodhenge without abos", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2002-05-20T05:44:28+00:00", "last": "2002-05-22T18:50:18+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "David Duffy", "address": "davidd at qimr.edu.au" }, "date": "2002-05-20T05:44:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Woodhenge without abos", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There is little doubt that there were abos. It is more the melancholy\nfact, that just as on our world, all evidence of their occupation is\nintentionally (and/or incidentally) destroyed by colonists, so that even\nthe museums are filled with lies. One thing about Short Sun is that there\nis an honourable handover of sorts (speaking of which, if the inhumi are\nan echo or mirror of human nature now, what were they like when they\nmirrored the Neighbours?).\n\nI agree that there is no evidence that Casilla has nonhuman abilities --\nthe remarks re appearance are those of a slave-holding MCP.\n\nDavid Duffy." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jerry Friedman", "address": "jerry_friedman at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2002-05-20T22:20:12+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Woodhenge without abos", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- David Duffy wrote:\nThere is little doubt that there were abos. It is more the melancholy\nfact, that just as on our world, all evidence of their occupation is\nintentionally (and/or incidentally) destroyed by colonists, so that even\nthe museums are filled with lies." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm not sure what you mean by that. On our world, many languages and\ncultures and some ethnic groups have been wiped out, but I don't think\nall the evidence has disappeared. Or were you thinking of the fairies\nthat Marsch mentions?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "One thing about Short Sun is that there\nis an honourable handover of sorts (speaking of which, if the inhumi are\nan echo or mirror of human nature now, what were they like when they\nmirrored the Neighbours?)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I saw this as real escapism. Wouldn't it be great to live on land\nthat hadn't been stolen?\n...\n\nJerry Friedman" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Stephanides", "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2002-05-22T15:04:58+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Woodhenge without abos", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "on 5/20/02 12:44 AM, David Duffy at davidD at qimr.edu.au wrote:\nThere is little doubt that there were abos." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, the books themselves contain doubts. And I still haven't seen a\nconvincing explanation of why, if we are to take the Annese's existence for\ngranted, there is not one single piece of solid evidence for it: why every\npiece of evidence proves doubtful upon close examination." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It is more the melancholy\nfact, that just as on our world," }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As Jerry Friedman said, there are certainly many cases on our world of\nindigenous groups having been wiped out, but I don't recall any case in\nwhich the invaders/colonists sought to wipe out all evidence of such groups\nhaving existed." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "all evidence of their occupation is\nintentionally (and/or incidentally) destroyed by colonists, so that even\nthe museums are filled with lies." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "But the colonists' present-day descendants don't seem to be making any\nattempt to cover up the Annese's existence; they will freely talk, not only\nabout the Annese themselves, but about the humans exterminating the Annese.\nMrs. Blount saw nothing wrong in her father killing abos; presumably,\nneither did her parents. And there's no indication the Annese government\nwould have intervened. So why cover it up?\n\nThe more I think about it, the more suspicious the absence of any physical\ntraces is. The war merely caused \"the destruction of the records of the\nfirst French landing parties\" (157, Ace pb), not the destruction of all\nskeletons or artifacts that might have been collected by the French. Marsch\nhimself, who interprets all evidence as favorably as possible, doesn't\nregard the war as explaining the absence of physical traces. I'm not saying\nthis proves that the Annese never existed, just that the absence of physical\nevidence is indeed not easy to explain away.\n\n--Adam" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Josh Geller", "address": "dclxvi at dclxvi.best.vwh.net" }, "date": "2002-05-22T18:50:18+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Woodhenge without abos", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, 22 May 2002, Adam Stephanides wrote:\nAs Jerry Friedman said, there are certainly many cases on our world of\nindigenous groups having been wiped out, but I don't recall any case in\nwhich the invaders/colonists sought to wipe out all evidence of such groups\nhaving existed." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In Costa Rica and in Argentina, if you ask the current locals what\nhappened to the Indians, they will say \"There were never too many Indians\nhere\".\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n." } ] } ] }