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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/327",
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  "archive": "urth",
  "thread": {
    "id": 327,
    "subject": "The Play",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1998-01-31T13:05:09+00:00",
    "last": "1998-01-31T22:10:49+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0006-0481@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alice Turner",
        "address": "al at interport.net"
      },
      "date": "1998-01-31T13:05:09+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) The Play",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "text": "I think Nutria's analysis of the Play (which I'm not quoting, because it's\nfairly long) is excellent, but suffers from too strict adherence to the\nBible. Using the Zoroastrian/Persian model has some advantages. First, at\nleast in the Zurvanite version, the great creator is Time itself, which has\nno limit, no beginning nor end (this seems very New Sun to me). Second, as\nin much heroic fantasy, which Wolfe is certainly taking off from (though he\ngoes a long distance), there are both Good (Ohrmazd, Ahura Mazda) and Evil\n(Ahriman, Angra Mainyu) who do battle through creation. Third, Nod\n(Gayomart, in the Persian, but just as Nutria says, Wolfe wants the Hebrew\nlink too) is an interesting figure who really does mirror Baldanders, the\nprimal giant from whose body and bones much was created. Fourth, the myth\nincludes not only Meschia and Meschiane (and there is no rib or apple or\nserpent or sin or exile nonsense in this version), the parents of humankind,\nbut also Jahi, the outsider, who may fairly be said to stand for the undines\nand all the creatures that are neither animal nor human but, as Borges put\nit, \"imaginary beings.\" And they are important to Urth.\n\n-alga-"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0006-0483@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jim Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan at gnt.net"
      },
      "date": "1998-01-31T22:10:49+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) The Play",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0006-0481@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 01:05 PM 1/31/98 -0500, you wrote:\n\n[Posted from URTH, a mailing list about Gene Wolfe's New Sun and other works]\n\nI think Nutria's analysis of the Play (which I'm not quoting, because it's\nfairly long) is excellent, but suffers from too strict adherence to the\nBible. Using the Zoroastrian/Persian model has some advantages."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Readily granted. Good stuff, Alga.,\n\nNutria"
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
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