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  "thread": {
    "id": 3280,
    "subject": "case hartshorn/5HC",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2002-05-26T20:52:12+00:00",
    "last": "2002-05-26T20:52:12+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0205-1091@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-05-26T20:52:12+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) case hartshorn/5HC",
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          "text": "Hartshorn wrote:\nIt happened to me.   On my first reading of 5HC as a young twentysomething I\nthought if a fine bit of writing but rather confused,  fragmentary plotwise.\nThe depths bypassed me entirely.    It was not until I met other readers\nthat the book was opened up for me.\n\nMea cupla, mea maxima culpa: but it was Wolfe taught me that SF books\n*could* be like that.   Scratch that, it was Wolfe who taught me *books*\ncould be like that."
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          "text": "Thank you for the example.  This must be a fairly common experience for\nWolfe-readers: the reader, through talking with other readers, through\nreading lit crit from John Clute and others, begins to see things that\nformerly escaped the eye.\n\nOTOH, hartshorn, it does not seem from what you wrote that you initially\ndisliked 5HC.  It sounds more as if you liked it okay and then developed a\ndeeper understanding of it, which probably (but not necessarily) raised\nyour opinion of it.\n\nI'm not certain, but it seems to me that many people use something like a\ntwo-tiered track: the one tier is the like/dislike axis, running from love\nto hate; the other tier is something like \"respect,\" ranging from \"lack of\nrespect\" to \"total respect.\"  Putting these tiers together results in odd\ncombinations that sound like what people often say about books: \"guilty\npleasure\" would be \"like\" + \"low respect\"; \"grudging respect\" would be\n\"dislike\" + \"high respect\"; et cetera.\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSIRIUS FICTION\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\nLexicon Urthus out of print!\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/"
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