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  "thread": {
    "id": 329,
    "subject": "Claw & Baldanders",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1998-02-01T05:24:00+00:00",
    "last": "1998-02-01T05:24:00+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0006-0489@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.geis.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-02-01T05:24:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Claw & Baldanders",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Reply:  Item #9595607 from CRCULVER at AOL.COM@INET01#\n\nChristopher,\n\nRe: the Claw as a device made by Tzadkiel?  Uh, um, no.  Remember,\nback at the metaphysical climax of Volume Four, when Sev figured out\nthat the (by now replaced in altar) Claw was really just a rose thorn,\nand he picked a new one, there on the beach?  And then (as if that\nweren't enough by itself) in URTH this \"new thorn\" became covered with\nSeverian's blood (i.e., little cells of Severian) in the course of\nthings (on the Big Ship), and even Apheta said that it had become the\nClaw, and then back on Urth in the past he gave it away to some\nsoldiers who had just defected from Typhon?\n\nThe \"nonchalant\" response given toward the Claw by F, B, & O is due\nmore to the fact that they understand it is only a tool of Severian,\nand they are probing him through questions to see if he understands\nthat.  And he doesn't yet understand that, so he \"fails\" their\ntest--as they are so quick to point out.\n\nRe: Baldanders the man who would be Autarch.  You write:"
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          "text": "I would like page references for this, if you wouldn't mind.\nIncidentally, Baldanders would most certainly fail the test, because\nhe seemed to think of the New Sun, the Claw, and the BotNS lore as\nsuperstition. So, Baldanders as Autarch would = Ragnarok."
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          "text": "How odd--you want references . . . yet you still =agree= with me in a\nway that seems somehow contentious!  Yes, of course Baldanders would\nfail the test--probably by his refusal to even =take= it (likewise\nVodalus, were he able to seize the throne); and thus the somehow crucial\ntime window would slowly, finally close; the New Sun would not come;\nthe Ragnarok probability wave (like Schroedinger's \"50% Dead\" Cat) would\nconsequently grow from 50% to 100%.\n\nI don't know about this \"citations on tap\" function I'm developing\nhere . . . I'm starting to feel like a dancing bear or something.  Are\nyou writing a paper?  I'd be more inclined to offer Cliff Notes if\nI knew you were working on an essay or . . .\n\nOh, here's one.  From Apheta herself: \"The giant [Baldanders] you saw\nmight have mastered the Commonwealth, had Severian not defeated him\n[way back in Volume Three]\" (V, ch. 22).\n\n=mantis="
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