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  "thread": {
    "id": 3290,
    "subject": "Sinner Question",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2002-05-30T19:45:46+00:00",
    "last": "2002-05-30T20:05:19+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0205-1145@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Darryl Swett",
        "address": "edorian at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-05-30T19:45:46+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Sinner Question",
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          "text": "From: \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" <ddanehy at siebel.com>\nReply-To: urth at urth.net\nTo: \"'urth at urth.net'\" <urth at urth.net>\nSubject: RE: (urth) TBOTSS and colonialism\nDate: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:04:43 -0700"
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        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "[Massive Snippage]"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "Another critically significant point of the Christian episteme is\nthat sin is a kind of bondage; that as long as we remain sinners,\nwe are not in fact free."
        },
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          "text": "[More Snips]\n\nI do not know much about the particular differences of the many Protestant \nflavors, and I know even less about Catholicism.\nI was raised in a Methodist setting, and I was taught that all people are \nsinners, whether they accept Christ as their savior or not -- being a \nbeliever does not exempt one from being a sinner.  Is this different for the \nCatholic system?\n\n- Darryl / Dragonfly"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0205-1147@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-05-30T20:05:19+00:00",
      "subject": "RE: (urth) Sinner Question",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0205-1145@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Quoting me, Dragonfly wrote:\nAnother critically significant point of the Christian episteme is\nthat sin is a kind of bondage; that as long as we remain sinners,\nwe are not in fact free."
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "[More Snips]"
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          "text": "I do not know much about the particular differences of the \nmany Protestant flavors, and I know even less about Catholicism."
        },
        {
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          "text": "Oh. Well, you know we're all a bunch of pagan goddess-worshipping\nslaves of Rome, I presume, so what more would you need to know? 8*)"
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          "text": "I was raised in a Methodist setting, and I was taught that \nall people are sinners, whether they accept Christ as their\nsavior or not -- being a believer does not exempt one from being\na sinner.  Is this different for the Catholic system?"
        },
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          "text": "Of course not -- St Paul is clear on this; all are sinners (tho'\nCatholics and, I believe, Orthodox believe that Mary is an exception,\nnot through her own doing but through the \"immaculate conception,\"\na special miracle which allowed her to be born without the taint of\noriginal sin, as a fitting \"vessel\" for Christ); and even after \nsalvation, we continue to be sinners -- Paul speaks of \"doing what\nI hate,\" etc.\n\n--Dan'l"
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