# Sinner Question *The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 30 May 2002* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Darryl Swett *30 May 2002, 19:45* > From: "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" > Reply-To: urth at urth.net > To: "'urth at urth.net'" > Subject: RE: (urth) TBOTSS and colonialism > Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:04:43 -0700 [Massive Snippage] > Another critically significant point of the Christian episteme is > that sin is a kind of bondage; that as long as we remain sinners, > we are not in fact free. [More Snips] I do not know much about the particular differences of the many Protestant flavors, and I know even less about Catholicism. I was raised in a Methodist setting, and I was taught that all people are sinners, whether they accept Christ as their savior or not -- being a believer does not exempt one from being a sinner. Is this different for the Catholic system? - Darryl / Dragonfly --- ### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes *30 May 2002, 20:05 · follows Darryl Swett* >> Quoting me, Dragonfly wrote: >> Another critically significant point of the Christian episteme is >> that sin is a kind of bondage; that as long as we remain sinners, >> we are not in fact free. > [More Snips] > I do not know much about the particular differences of the > many Protestant flavors, and I know even less about Catholicism. Oh. Well, you know we're all a bunch of pagan goddess-worshipping slaves of Rome, I presume, so what more would you need to know? 8*) > I was raised in a Methodist setting, and I was taught that > all people are sinners, whether they accept Christ as their > savior or not -- being a believer does not exempt one from being > a sinner. Is this different for the Catholic system? Of course not -- St Paul is clear on this; all are sinners (tho' Catholics and, I believe, Orthodox believe that Mary is an exception, not through her own doing but through the "immaculate conception," a special miracle which allowed her to be born without the taint of original sin, as a fitting "vessel" for Christ); and even after salvation, we continue to be sinners -- Paul speaks of "doing what I hate," etc. --Dan'l ---