# Some problems if the Pancreator/Outsider is theHoly Tr *The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 12 Jun 2002* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Michael Straight *12 Jun 2002, 19:13* > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote: > Rostrum saith: >> If you're going to count the intros/appendix where Wolfe talks about >> translating Severian's manuscript, Wolfe directly refers to all the >> stuff of Severian's time being in the future, or "futurity." > Yes. But on the other hand, he also writes of having been allowed > to tour and photograph the "surviving" buildings of that distant > future period. Which seems to put the distant future into the distant > past and make the whole thing cyclic after all, dunnit? To me, at that point it became obvious the whole thing was a joke and not meant to have any real bearing on Severian's story. -Rostrum --- ### matthew.malthouse *13 Jun 2002, 09:38 · follows Michael Straight* > On 12/06/2002 20:13:50 Michael Straight wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote: >> Rostrum saith: >>> If you're going to count the intros/appendix where Wolfe talks about >>> translating Severian's manuscript, Wolfe directly refers to all the >>> stuff of Severian's time being in the future, or "futurity." >> Yes. But on the other hand, he also writes of having been allowed >> to tour and photograph the "surviving" buildings of that distant >> future period. Which seems to put the distant future into the distant >> past and make the whole thing cyclic after all, dunnit? > To me, at that point it became obvious the whole thing was a joke and not > meant to have any real bearing on Severian's story. For no pertinent reason: Mary Gentle's "Ash" Matthew ---