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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3322, "subject": "A Point of Order", "messages": 2, "voices": 2, "first": "2002-06-17T16:03:28+00:00", "last": "2002-06-17T16:30:21+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2002-06-17T16:03:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) A Point of Order", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "God does promise Noah that He will not again destroy all the world by \nwater.\n\nThe coming of the White Fountain does not violate this promise, because\nall the world is _not_ destroyed.\n\nIf \"all the world\" means the land masses, then it is not so much destroyed\nas rearranged -- if the prophecies of the coming of the New Sun are as \naccurate as they seem to be, the old continents are destroyed and new \ncontinents arise. Sev winds up on an island in the middle of a vast sea; \nbut that's where a continent used to be. You wouldn't expect to find a \nnew continent right where the old one was.\n\nIf \"all the world\" means, as it does in many languages (e.g., French \n\"tout le monde\"), \"all the people in the world,\" then, again, this is\nclearly not the case -- we see a few people saved; there is no particular\nreason to assume that similar scattered people do not survive all over \nthe globe; indeed, though Wolfe's ultraDickensian tenedency toward\nplotting-by-coincidence could in fact have Severian run across the\n_only_ survivors, combining that with (some of) them also being folks \nhe already knows one way or another seems, to me, excessive; more likely\nthere are a number of survivors and Synchronicity Central brings him to\nthe ones he knows.\n\n Republicans must always be on guard \n against sounding Teutonic. -- P. Noonan" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at hotpop.com" }, "date": "2002-06-17T16:30:21+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) A Point of Order", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Tsk. Tsk. Blattid, Blattid, Blattid, I just cannot let this one pass. ;-)\n\nIf I accept your argument, then G-d didn't destroy the earth with water the\nfirst time since Noah, his wife, his sons and their wives all survived along\nwith lots of animals (a protection, please note, that the New Sun did not\nprovide). So why make the promise in the first place? The survivors of\nUsha's Deluge sailed for some time before arriving at that island -\ncommensurate with the receding of the waters ala Noah's Flood. Nope. If the\nWorld is not \"destroyed by flood\" with the advent of the New Sun then there\nIS no destroying by flood.\n\nGe 8:21-22\n...the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more\nfor man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth;\nneither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.\nWhile the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and\nsummer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.\n\nGe 9:11\nAnd I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut\noff any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a\nflood to destroy the earth.\n\n-- Crush\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [mailto:ddanehy at siebel.com]\nSent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:03 AM\nTo: 'urth at urth.net'\nSubject: (urth) A Point of Order\n\nGod does promise Noah that He will not again destroy all the world by\nwater.\n\nThe coming of the White Fountain does not violate this promise, because\nall the world is _not_ destroyed.\n\nIf \"all the world\" means the land masses, then it is not so much destroyed\nas rearranged -- if the prophecies of the coming of the New Sun are as\naccurate as they seem to be, the old continents are destroyed and new\ncontinents arise. Sev winds up on an island in the middle of a vast sea;\nbut that's where a continent used to be. You wouldn't expect to find a\nnew continent right where the old one was.\n\nIf \"all the world\" means, as it does in many languages (e.g., French\n\"tout le monde\"), \"all the people in the world,\" then, again, this is\nclearly not the case -- we see a few people saved; there is no particular\nreason to assume that similar scattered people do not survive all over\nthe globe; indeed, though Wolfe's ultraDickensian tenedency toward\nplotting-by-coincidence could in fact have Severian run across the\n_only_ survivors, combining that with (some of) them also being folks\nhe already knows one way or another seems, to me, excessive; more likely\nthere are a number of survivors and Synchronicity Central brings him to\nthe ones he knows.\n\n Republicans must always be on guard\n against sounding Teutonic. -- P. Noonan" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "-- " } ] } ] }