{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3356", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3356, "subject": "Typhon sleeping or dead?", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2002-07-16T00:31:02+00:00", "last": "2002-07-16T16:31:37+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com" }, "date": "2002-07-16T00:31:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Typhon sleeping or dead?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Blattid wrote:\nI think the question of whether Typhon is dead or in SA might be\nambiguious ... I had certainly read him as being in SA up to this\nposting: in my reading of the passage, he appears to be hooked up\nto a device which sort of dehydrated him and kept his precious\nbodily fluids in a jar until it was time to reconstitute him,\norange-juice-like. Perhaps I'm wrong..." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I would not deny the planned ambiguity, I would not deny the reading that\nsays it is suspended animation, after all, and thus the time of Typhon's\nrevival is purely a fluke, an authorial coincidence to cause a little\npicaresque action in an otherwise dull wilderness. \n\nOTOH, I think a strong thread in TBOTNS is about the mystery of the Claw,\nand how a lot of dead/live things that seemed to be more mundane (Triskele,\nDorcas, et cetera) ultimately resolve as being supernatural and due to the\nClaw. So initially Triskele wasn't really dead (but yes, he was recently\ndead); Dorcas was insane and nearly drowned (no, she was dead for decades);\nSeverian wounded by the avern (nope, he was killed); and so on.\n\n=mantis=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2002-07-16T09:56:01+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Typhon sleeping or dead?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "mantis quoted Blattid and wrote:\nBlattid wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I think the question of whether Typhon is dead or in SA might be\nambiguious ... I had certainly read him as being in SA up to this\nposting: in my reading of the passage, he appears to be hooked up\nto a device which sort of dehydrated him and kept his precious\nbodily fluids in a jar until it was time to reconstitute him,\norange-juice-like. Perhaps I'm wrong..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I would not deny the planned ambiguity, I would not deny the reading that\nsays it is suspended animation, after all, and thus the time of Typhon's\nrevival is purely a fluke, an authorial coincidence to cause a little\npicaresque action in an otherwise dull wilderness. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Okay, then I will deny it: Typhon was dead, not in SA; the text says so. Sev\nprophesied (it was easy, since it came from memory) while on Mt. Typhon\n(URTH, Chapter XXXIX):\n\n \"'I'll tell you this. This morning I've been studying this mountain and\nthe speed with which the work here is going forward. From those things, I\nknow Typhon has only a short time to live. He'll die on the red couch where\nhe lies now; and without his word, no one will dare to draw aside the\ncurtain. One after another will creep away. The machines that dig like men\nwill return for fresh instructions, but they won't receive them, and in time\nthe curtain itself will fall to dust.'\"\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Jordan", "address": "jbjordan4 at cox.net" }, "date": "2002-07-16T16:03:01+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Typhon sleeping or dead?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 04:56 AM 7/16/2002 -0500, Roy wrote:\nOkay, then I will deny it: Typhon was dead, not in SA; the text says so. Sev\nprophesied (it was easy, since it came from memory) while on Mt. Typhon\n(URTH, Chapter XXXIX):" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ah. Well that settles that aspect of it. Maybe. (How dead is dead when the \nIncreate has planned to revive you for a short while later on?) Still \ndon't think there's good reason to think of Typhon as Silk's daddy, but my \noriginal objection has now largely evaporated.\n\nNutria" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Stephanides", "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2002-07-16T16:31:37+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Typhon sleeping or dead?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "on 7/16/02 4:56 AM, Roy C. Lackey at rclackey at stic.net wrote:\nOkay, then I will deny it: Typhon was dead, not in SA; the text says so. Sev\nprophesied (it was easy, since it came from memory) while on Mt. Typhon\n(URTH, Chapter XXXIX):\n\n\"'I'll tell you this. This morning I've been studying this mountain and\nthe speed with which the work here is going forward. From those things, I\nknow Typhon has only a short time to live. He'll die on the red couch where\nhe lies now; and without his word, no one will dare to draw aside the\ncurtain. One after another will creep away. The machines that dig like men\nwill return for fresh instructions, but they won't receive them, and in time\nthe curtain itself will fall to dust.'\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "OTOH, this could also be Severian speaking in terms appropriate to the\naudience, in line with Catholic views of Biblical language. That is, it\nwould be easier for them to understand \"he'll die\" than \"he'll go into\nsuspended animation for a thousand years, and then be briefly revived, but\nthen I'll kill him.\"\n\n--Adam" } ] } ] }