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  "thread": {
    "id": 3388,
    "subject": "explain yourself",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2002-07-31T01:01:26+00:00",
    "last": "2002-07-31T19:38:58+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0207-1494@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-07-31T01:01:26+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) explain yourself",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Hartshorn wrote:\nBut it is obvious.\n\nThe fact that the Ascians can speak *only* in the phrases known as Correct\nThought matches the fact that Orwell's inhabitants of Oceana will one day\nspeak **only** in Newspeak.\n\nBut there is no real-life correspondence to this: the Koreans may have\nchanted Maoist slogans, but they were not **forbidden** to use other words\nor phrases.\n\nOnly in Orwell's 1984 (and arguably in some SF books written since then)\ndoes this concept of total linguistic replacement arise.\n\nI agree, however, that the style of the quotes is very close to Maoism"
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          "text": "Hartshorn and I seem to be on the same wavelength, fwiw.\n\nI, too, agree that the style is close to Maoism.  I don't know if I've been\npublished saying that (I almost certainly talked about it online -- maybe\nJeff Wilson remembers better than I do), but in studying the very question\nregarding Ascia I've had an authentic little red book for about ten years\nnow.\n\nI looked at it fairly closely.  If I'd have found something like \"x:the\nJust Man as Theseus:Tale of the Boy Named Frog,\" believe me, I would have\nbeen delighted, my efforts would have borne fruit, and I would have\npublished the finding.\n\nI never said that the little red book had nothing to do with Ascian\nApproved Texts.  I can further elaborate and say that, imho, based upon my\nown labor comparing the texts, there is actually less there than appears on\nfirst or third blush, but even so I would never eliminate it from the\npalette.\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSirius Fiction\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\n29 copies of \"Snake's-hands\" until OP!\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0208-1501@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-07-31T19:38:58+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) explain yourself",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0207-1494@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Whoops. Corrections to follow."
        },
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "If I'd have found something like \"x:the\nJust Man as Theseus:Tale of the Boy Named Frog,\" believe me, I would have\nbeen delighted, my efforts would have borne fruit, and I would have\npublished the finding."
        },
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          "text": "That should be:\n\n\"x\" is to \"the Just Man\" as \"Theseus\" is to \"The Tale of the Student and\nHis Son\" and/or as \"Romulus and Remus\" is to \"The Tale of the Boy Called\nFrog\"\n\nBecause Theseus doesn't really apply to \"The Tale of the Boy Called Frog\"\n(and it is \"Called,\" not \"Named\").\n\nSorry for the confusion.\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSIRIUS FICTION\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\nLexicon Urthus out of print!\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/"
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