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  "thread": {
    "id": 3456,
    "subject": "pseudonyms Jonas and Jolenta",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2002-09-09T21:13:12+00:00",
    "last": "2002-09-09T21:13:12+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0209-1729@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-09-09T21:13:12+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) pseudonyms Jonas and Jolenta",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Jerry Friedman wrote:\nI suspect the same things as you about why Jonas is attracted to Jolenta,\nbut I still want to know why you say \"Jonas\" and \"Jolenta\" are pseudonyms."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "The text has it that Jonas was the name given to the crippled sailor after\nhe was fitted with prosthetics, to soften his reception among the humans --\nand this works on at least two counts: first, because \"Jonas\" is \"Jonah,\"\nthe one thrown overboard; second, because the naming convention implied by\n\"Sidero\" (\"iron\") establishes that Jonas is a human name, not a robotic\nname.\n\nAs for Jolenta, true, we have no place in the text where somebody says that\nit is a pseudonym, but we do see the drab waitress before, and Talos's\ncreation \"Jolenta\" after, and it seems highly likely (to me at least) that\nTalos gave her a new name (meaning \"Hellen\" from \"Hellen of Poland,\" fwiw)\nalong with all the rest, to further bind her to him (and to guard against\nsomeone calling her real name and awakening her from her spell).\n\nSo Jonas is a given and imho Jolenta is a strong implication.\n\n=mantis="
        }
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