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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3461, "subject": "\"sibyl\" as in \"multiple personalities\"", "messages": 6, "voices": 4, "first": "2002-09-24T19:20:16+00:00", "last": "2002-09-25T18:23:24+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com" }, "date": "2002-09-24T19:20:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) \"sibyl\" as in \"multiple personalities\"", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Now that we're plunging into the question of how many personalities are\nin/make up Maytera Marble, I'm reminded of the 1970s book and tv movie\n\"Sibyl\" that was all about the woman who had multiple personalities.\nInteresting touchstone, and I wonder if influenced Gene Wolfe's notion of\nMarble.\n\nLeaving aside the complexities of Short Sun's multiple personalities, I\nguess my first question would be:\n\nIs Marble's scattered nature due to an inherent quality of her original\nstate, or is it due to a critical mass of recycled parts?\n\nBecause the swordmaster, for example, has a leg made from five others,\niirc, and he does not seem to show the weirdness. Granted he is a bio, but\nwe are saying that Rose herself may have been influenced by her chem parts.\n\nSo is there a level of prosthetic inclusion where the items are purely\nprosthetic (human level), and then a level beyond that where the\nprosthetics begin to influence the individual (cyborg), up to a level where\nthe prosthetics either take over the individual or cause it to disintegrate\nunder the babble (robot)? (This does have some bearing on the issue of\nHorn as a software prosthetic for crippled Silk.)\n\n=mantis=\n\n\nSirius Fiction\nbooklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley\n29 copies of \"Snake's-hands\" until OP!\nhttp://www.siriusfiction.com/" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Weber", "address": "mweber at library.berkeley.edu" }, "date": "2002-09-24T19:25:26+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) \"sibyl\" as in \"multiple personalities\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 12:20 PM 9/24/02 -0700, you wrote:\nNow that we're plunging into the question of how many personalities are\nin/make up Maytera Marble, I'm reminded of the 1970s book and tv movie\n\"Sibyl\" that was all about the woman who had multiple personalities.\nInteresting touchstone, and I wonder if influenced Gene Wolfe's notion of\nMarble." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, it was SYBIL, actually, but that's an interesting reference that \nhadn't occurred to me.\n\n\n\nMatthew Weber\nCuratorial Assistant\nMusic Library\nUniversity of California, Berkeley\n\nAnd the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail.\n The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The First Book of the \nKings_, chapter 17, verse 16" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at hotpop.com" }, "date": "2002-09-25T15:25:57+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) \"sibyl\" as in \"multiple personalities\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Mantis ponders:\nSo is there a level of prosthetic inclusion where the items are purely\nprosthetic (human level), and then a level beyond that where the\nprosthetics begin to influence the individual (cyborg), up to a level where\nthe prosthetics either take over the individual or cause it to disintegrate\nunder the babble (robot)?\n\nCrush responds:\nWell consider that Silk ponders whether there is anything left of the real\n\"Rose\" amid all her prosthetics.\nAs one might expect, I wonder if the process goes the other way. Can chems\ntake on bio prosthetics and is there a point where the prosthetics supercede\nthe prevenient." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Weber", "address": "mweber at library.berkeley.edu" }, "date": "2002-09-25T15:32:42+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) \"sibyl\" as in \"multiple personalities\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 10:25 AM 9/25/02 -0500, you wrote:\nMantis ponders:\nSo is there a level of prosthetic inclusion where the items are purely\nprosthetic (human level), and then a level beyond that where the\nprosthetics begin to influence the individual (cyborg), up to a level where\nthe prosthetics either take over the individual or cause it to disintegrate\nunder the babble (robot)?\n\nCrush responds:\nWell consider that Silk ponders whether there is anything left of the real\n\"Rose\" amid all her prosthetics.\nAs one might expect, I wonder if the process goes the other way. Can chems\ntake on bio prosthetics and is there a point where the prosthetics supercede\nthe prevenient." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Wouldn't Jonas be a case of exactly that?\n\n\n\nMatthew Weber\nCuratorial Assistant\nMusic Library\nUniversity of California, Berkeley\n\nHow long halt ye between two opinions?\n The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The First Book of the \nKings_, chapter 18, verse 21" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at hotpop.com" }, "date": "2002-09-25T15:39:34+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) \"sibyl\" as in \"multiple personalities\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Mantis ponders:\nSo is there a level of prosthetic inclusion where the items are purely\nprosthetic (human level), and then a level beyond that where the\nprosthetics begin to influence the individual (cyborg), up to a level where\nthe prosthetics either take over the individual or cause it to disintegrate\nunder the babble (robot)?\n\nCrush responds:\nWell consider that Silk ponders whether there is anything left of the real\n\"Rose\" amid all her prosthetics.\nAs one might expect, I wonder if the process goes the other way. Can chems\ntake on bio prosthetics and is there a point where the prosthetics\nsupercede\nthe prevenient." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Matthew Weber taunts:\nWouldn't Jonas be a case of exactly that?\n\nCrush goes for the bait:\nYep. He would, among others." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andy Robertson", "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk" }, "date": "2002-09-25T18:23:24+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) \"sibyl\" as in \"multiple personalities\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Obviously Jonas did this\n\n hartshorn\n\n\n----- Original Message -----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: \"James Wynn\" \nAs one might expect, I wonder if the process goes the other way. Can chems\ntake on bio prosthetics and is there a point where the prosthetics\nsupercede\nthe prevenient." } ] } ] }