# "sibyl" as in "multiple personalities" *The Urth list — 6 messages, 4 voices, 24 Sep 2002* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Michael Andre-Driussi *24 Sep 2002, 19:20* Now that we're plunging into the question of how many personalities are in/make up Maytera Marble, I'm reminded of the 1970s book and tv movie "Sibyl" that was all about the woman who had multiple personalities. Interesting touchstone, and I wonder if influenced Gene Wolfe's notion of Marble. Leaving aside the complexities of Short Sun's multiple personalities, I guess my first question would be: Is Marble's scattered nature due to an inherent quality of her original state, or is it due to a critical mass of recycled parts? Because the swordmaster, for example, has a leg made from five others, iirc, and he does not seem to show the weirdness. Granted he is a bio, but we are saying that Rose herself may have been influenced by her chem parts. So is there a level of prosthetic inclusion where the items are purely prosthetic (human level), and then a level beyond that where the prosthetics begin to influence the individual (cyborg), up to a level where the prosthetics either take over the individual or cause it to disintegrate under the babble (robot)? (This does have some bearing on the issue of Horn as a software prosthetic for crippled Silk.) =mantis= Sirius Fiction booklets on Gene Wolfe, John Crowley 29 copies of "Snake's-hands" until OP! http://www.siriusfiction.com/ --- ### Matthew Weber *24 Sep 2002, 19:25 · follows Michael Andre-Driussi* > At 12:20 PM 9/24/02 -0700, you wrote: > Now that we're plunging into the question of how many personalities are > in/make up Maytera Marble, I'm reminded of the 1970s book and tv movie > "Sibyl" that was all about the woman who had multiple personalities. > Interesting touchstone, and I wonder if influenced Gene Wolfe's notion of > Marble. Well, it was SYBIL, actually, but that's an interesting reference that hadn't occurred to me. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The First Book of the Kings_, chapter 17, verse 16 --- ### James Wynn *25 Sep 2002, 15:25 · follows Matthew Weber* Mantis ponders: So is there a level of prosthetic inclusion where the items are purely prosthetic (human level), and then a level beyond that where the prosthetics begin to influence the individual (cyborg), up to a level where the prosthetics either take over the individual or cause it to disintegrate under the babble (robot)? Crush responds: Well consider that Silk ponders whether there is anything left of the real "Rose" amid all her prosthetics. As one might expect, I wonder if the process goes the other way. Can chems take on bio prosthetics and is there a point where the prosthetics supercede the prevenient. --- ### Matthew Weber *25 Sep 2002, 15:32 · follows James Wynn* > At 10:25 AM 9/25/02 -0500, you wrote: > Mantis ponders: > So is there a level of prosthetic inclusion where the items are purely > prosthetic (human level), and then a level beyond that where the > prosthetics begin to influence the individual (cyborg), up to a level where > the prosthetics either take over the individual or cause it to disintegrate > under the babble (robot)? > > Crush responds: > Well consider that Silk ponders whether there is anything left of the real > "Rose" amid all her prosthetics. > As one might expect, I wonder if the process goes the other way. Can chems > take on bio prosthetics and is there a point where the prosthetics supercede > the prevenient. Wouldn't Jonas be a case of exactly that? Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley How long halt ye between two opinions? The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The First Book of the Kings_, chapter 18, verse 21 --- ### James Wynn *25 Sep 2002, 15:39 · follows Matthew Weber* > Mantis ponders: > So is there a level of prosthetic inclusion where the items are purely > prosthetic (human level), and then a level beyond that where the > prosthetics begin to influence the individual (cyborg), up to a level where > the prosthetics either take over the individual or cause it to disintegrate > under the babble (robot)? > > Crush responds: > Well consider that Silk ponders whether there is anything left of the real > "Rose" amid all her prosthetics. > As one might expect, I wonder if the process goes the other way. Can chems > take on bio prosthetics and is there a point where the prosthetics > supercede > the prevenient. Matthew Weber taunts: Wouldn't Jonas be a case of exactly that? Crush goes for the bait: Yep. He would, among others. --- ### Andy Robertson *25 Sep 2002, 18:23 · follows James Wynn* Obviously Jonas did this hartshorn ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Wynn" > As one might expect, I wonder if the process goes the other way. Can chems > take on bio prosthetics and is there a point where the prosthetics > supercede > the prevenient. ---