# Jonas = Quixote? *The Urth list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 26 Sep 2002* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Michael Straight *26 Sep 2002, 15:58* > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Roy C. Lackey wrote: > There was, in effect, _no_ relationship between Jonas and Jolenta outside of > Jonas's head. There was no basis in their common history for even a Platonic > relationship, none at all. Jonas, illogical as it may be for an android, > lusted after Jolenta just as Sev and every other man who saw her did, and > that's all it was. Lust, not Love. Well argued. I think you're almost certainly right. But it is possible (although the text doesn't do much to support it) that Jolenta is not, for Jonas, a Siren but rather Dulcinea. That, rather than being in lust for Jolenta, he is in love with his own fantasy, his ideal woman. The fantasy may have been sparked by Jolenta and given her name because of lust, but Jonas may be unaware of that. He may continue to see himself as a robot with some icky spare parts, and may imagine himself returning from the unreachable star all fixed up, ready to love Jolenta purely and chastely, if not from afar. -Rostrum ---