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  "thread": {
    "id": 3506,
    "subject": "Gnostic Demiurge(s)",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2002-10-23T21:13:32+00:00",
    "last": "2002-10-23T21:13:32+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0210-1919@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-10-23T21:13:32+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Gnostic Demiurge(s)",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Long time no see, Wombat!\n\nYou wrote a good post and I could follow all of it except for this one part:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Pas\nas demiurge is such a clear image that it's hard to believe that he\n*didn't* intend for the work to function, in part at least, as an attack on\nGnosticism; he may have teased the ideas out further as he composed the\nlater novels."
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          "text": "With this line you seem to be saying that there is a form of Gnosticism\nthat looks favorably upon the Demiurge.  I do not know of one, even after\nthinking about it for a few days.  When I think of Gnosticism in genre, I\nthink of (pro-Gnostic) A VOYAGE TO ARCTURUS, and there, without a doubt,\nthe Demiurge is the big bad guy who pretends to be the transcendent god,\nbut is not.  The other cases that come to my mind follow this pattern\npretty closely.  Most of the material I've read about Gnosticism comes down\nvery hard on the Demiurge.\n\nSo if you really did mean that, could you please tell me which brand of\nGnosticism you are referring to?\n\nOr are you saying the opposite: that Wolfe is too soft on the Demiurge to\nqualify as pro-Gnostic?  (I.e., too much sympathy of the Devil.)  Now that\nI could believe, as evidenced by the material above.\n\n(I'm not trying to be difficult!)\n\n=mantis="
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