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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3520, "subject": "peacock murderer clues and two random bits.", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "2002-10-28T14:44:01+00:00", "last": "2002-10-30T22:01:32+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "maa32", "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu" }, "date": "2002-10-28T14:44:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) peacock murderer clues and two random bits.", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I am a bit surprised that no one mentions the most obvious hint that Peacock \nis going to kill Olivia. We know that most of the names of the text (gold, \nblack, \"olive-ia\", peacock blue, etc.) are associated with colors. When \ncolors appear, they are associated with these characters. Read the section \nwhere Olivia and Peacock and Den are in the cave with the skull - Olivia \nplaces great importance on wrapping the remains of their dinner in blue ribbon \nand says that Weer will remember it later when it is important, and it will \nmake sense. This is her transtemporal way of saying that the seal on her own \ncasket will be enacted by the man associated with blue - Prof. Peacock. The \ndeath imagery in the whole cave scene is overwhelming, and Olivia even talks \nabout killing Peacock as they descend, if I'm not mistaken. Throughout the \ntext color really does invoke a particular character. Also, in the embedded \ntales, anything with the initials S.B. invokes the banker and reveals a bit \nmore about his situation.\n\nTwo more things - I got a letter the other day from Mr. Wolfe, and it was \nwritten on a manuscript page from In Green's Jungles. I wasn't sure if it was \na mistake or not, or what stage of revision it was from. If it was textually \ndifferent from the published version I was going to post it in it's entirety - \nalas, after finding the portion in the published book that corresponded with \nthe pages. The only change was one adjective - in the manuscript \"a boar\" \nbecame \"a MATURE boar\" in the published version. Shoot.\n\nFinally, found a good quote in In Green's Jungles. It is in the first \nchapter- I don't have the text directly in front of me, but since I'm typing I \nmight as well put it down and then repost it later. It is two paragraphs that \nsays (in paraphrase which I will repost tonight exactly with page number) \n\"Green was a whorl made for trees. Indeed, green was a whorl made by trees ... \nthe only problem that the trees hadn't solved was that of the lianas.\" \nRemember that the only problem on green is that of the inhumi - and I insist \nthat the liana are the inhumi and the trees are sentient. (However, I would \nargue that the trees were made for Green) I will quote more later - but I grew \nweary of reiterating the same thing about these trees.\nHave a good day.\nMarc Aramini" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Stephanides", "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2002-10-29T01:02:02+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) peacock murderer clues and two random bits.", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "on 10/28/02 8:44 AM, maa32 at maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu wrote:\nRead the section \nwhere Olivia and Peacock and Den are in the cave with the skull - Olivia\nplaces great importance on wrapping the remains of their dinner in blue ribbon\nand says that Weer will remember it later when it is important, and it will\nmake sense." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The passage actually reads:\n\n Aunt Olivia, having untied the blue thread that had held it shut in the\nbasket, peered into a small milk-glass with a lid shaped like a setting hen.\n\"Ah, olives,\" she said. \"Ripe olives. I'd forgotten what I put in there.\nDen may realize that, Robert, but it won't mean anything to him. Not yet.\"\n(p. 57, Harper hc)\n\nSo the blue thread (not ribbon) is untied, not tied; and there's nothing\nabout Weer remembering it \"when it is important.\" And in any case, by \"it\nwon't mean anything to him. Not yet,\" she seems to be referring to her\nforgetting about the olives (which doesn't mean anything to me either), not\nto the blue thread. Later she leaves the empty dish in the cave (59), but\nthere's nothing about her wrapping it first, in blue ribbon or otherwise.\n\nIn any case, if this is the \"most obvious hint,\" I hate to think what the\nless obvious hints are.\n\n--Adam" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2002-10-29T08:11:42+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) peacock murderer clues and two random bits.", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Adam Stephanides wrote:\nThe passage actually reads:\n\n Aunt Olivia, having untied the blue thread that had held it shut in the\nbasket, peered into a small milk-glass with a lid shaped like a setting\nhen.\n\"Ah, olives,\" she said. \"Ripe olives. I'd forgotten what I put in there.\nDen may realize that, Robert, but it won't mean anything to him. Not yet.\"\n(p. 57, Harper hc)\n\nSo the blue thread (not ribbon) is untied, not tied; and there's nothing\nabout Weer remembering it \"when it is important.\" And in any case, by \"it\nwon't mean anything to him. Not yet,\" she seems to be referring to her\nforgetting about the olives (which doesn't mean anything to me either), not\nto the blue thread. Later she leaves the empty dish in the cave (59), but\nthere's nothing about her wrapping it first, in blue ribbon or otherwise." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "She's referring, I believe, to Peacock's question in the preceding\nparagraph. Answering his question, actually, which was: \"Do you think Alden\nhere realizes that this is the oldest house he has ever been in? Probably\nthe oldest house he will ever be in, even if he lives to be a hundred.\"\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Adam Stephanides", "address": "adamsteph at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2002-10-30T22:01:32+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) peacock murderer clues and two random bits.", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "on 10/29/02 2:11 AM, Roy C. Lackey at rclackey at stic.net wrote:\nShe's referring, I believe, to Peacock's question in the preceding\nparagraph. Answering his question, actually, which was: \"Do you think Alden\nhere realizes that this is the oldest house he has ever been in? Probably\nthe oldest house he will ever be in, even if he lives to be a hundred.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "D'oh! Of course. Thanks.\n\n--Adam" } ] } ] }