{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3533", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3533, "subject": "Edogawa Ranpo", "messages": 7, "voices": 4, "first": "2002-10-31T17:00:06+00:00", "last": "2002-11-02T01:34:09+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at hotpop.com" }, "date": "2002-10-31T17:00:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Edogawa Ranpo", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Anyone here familiar with the works of Edogawa Ranpo? He's (apparently) an\ninfluential Japanese children's mystery author who died about 1964. I was\nwondering about his (remotely possible) influence on Wolfe, but I can't find\nany of his works in English.\n\n-- Crush" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com" }, "date": "2002-10-31T17:28:37+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Edogawa Ranpo", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Crush wrote:\nAnyone here familiar with the works of Edogawa Ranpo? He's (apparently) an\ninfluential Japanese children's mystery author who died about 1964. I was\nwondering about his (remotely possible) influence on Wolfe, but I can't find\nany of his works in English." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"Edogawa Ranpo\" was the pen name of a Japanese author (the name itself is a\nnot-really-disguised \"Japanification\" of \"Edgar Allan Poe\"). I associate\nEdogawa Ranpo's work with Japanese Gothic, with weird psycho-sexual\nimagery; I was not aware that he wrote any work for children, but I\nwouldn't be surprised if it is true.\n\nMovies have been made of his work, and I've seen (I think) two: one called\n\"Trousseau\" and the other, name I can't recall, but it involved a castle\nnear a cliff overlooking the sea, and the habit of a nobleman there to ride\nhis horse at gallop toward the cliff at a certain hour of the day.\n\nNow Crush, what trace, however obscure, led you here?\n\n=mantis=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at hotpop.com" }, "date": "2002-11-01T16:32:39+00:00", "subject": "FW: (urth) Edogawa Ranpo", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "mantis asked\nNow Crush, what trace, however obscure, led you here [to Edogawa Ranpo]?\n\nCrush responds\nThis is the sort of libertine association that wedges itself so firmly in\nthe craw of Roy and others and to which Agia once referred as \"imagination\nplus\". Yet, the fact remains that my starting point was associating Crane\n(from the Long Sun) with the god Ranpo:\nhttp://gene-wolfe.tripod.com/chems.htm\n\nSo here's a peek into the twisted way I think. Imagine you're a writer who\nis a fan of Edogawa Ranpo whose detective fiction (like your own) is known\nfor it's weird touch. You also have a long time interest in alchemy. You\nnaturally know that the word comes from the same origin as Egypt, which\nintersects with your other interest in ancient mythology. So eventually you\ncome across a picture of the Egyptian *god* Chem standing next to this other\ngod, Ranpo. Don't you think that god other would stick in your mind? Now\nyour writing a story about a guy who is also a something of a detective, and\nyour going to riff of concepts based on the word \"chem\". Maybe you'd work\nEdogawa in in the same way you have in the past with Jorge Borge....\n\nNice theory, but the probability wave shrinks when one learns that the\nauthor's name is not \"Ranpo\" but \"RaMpo\". The connection is still plausible\nwhen one considers the name game Wolfe plays throughout the Long Sun with\nconnections as tenuous as Silk = Sand. Yet, clearly the connection is now as\nthin as a spider's thread (if I may play the game as well).\n\n--- Crush" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at hotpop.com" }, "date": "2002-11-01T16:18:30+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) Edogawa Ranpo", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "mantis asked\nNow Crush, what trace, however obscure, led you here [to Edogawa Ranpo]?\n\nCrush responds\nThis is the sort of libertine association that wedges itself so firmly in\nthe craw of Roy and others and to which Agia once referred as \"imagination\nplus\". Yet, the fact remains that my starting point was associating Crane\n(from the Long Sun) with the god Ranpo:\nhttp://gene-wolfe.tripod.com/chems.htm\n\nSo here's a peek into the twisted way I think. Imagine you're a writer who\nis a fan of Edogawa Ranpo whose detective fiction (like your own) is known\nfor it's weird touch. You also have a long time interest in alchemy. You\nnaturally know that the word comes from the same origin as Egypt, which\nintersects with your other interest in ancient mythology. So eventually you\ncome across a picture of the Egyptian *god* Chem standing next to this other\ngod, Ranpo. Don't you think that god other would stick in your mind? Now\nyour writing a story about a guy who is also a something of a detective, and\nyour going to riff of concepts based on the word \"chem\". Maybe you'd work\nEdogawa in in the same way you have in the past with Jorge Borge....\n\nNice theory, but the probability wave shrinks when one learns that the\nauthor's name is not \"Ranpo\" but \"RaMpo\". The connection is still plausible\nwhen one considers the name game Wolfe plays throughout the Long Sun with\nconnections as tenuous as Silk = Sand. Yet, clearly the connection is now as\nthin as a spider's thread (if I may play the game as well).\n\n--- Crush" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2002-11-01T17:53:49+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Edogawa Ranpo", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Crush responds\nThis is the sort of libertine association that wedges itself so firmly in\nthe craw of Roy and others and to which Agia once referred as \"imagination\nplus\". Yet, the fact remains that my starting point was associating Crane\n(from the Long Sun) with the god Ranpo:\nhttp://gene-wolfe.tripod.com/chems.htm" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Interesting slip you made there; I wonder if alga appreciates it? \n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at hotpop.com" }, "date": "2002-11-01T18:56:54+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) Edogawa Ranpo", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Roy said\nInteresting slip you made there; I wonder if alga appreciates it? \n\n\n\nOops! My apologies to Alga. I hope if she gives a hoot one way or the other,\nshe appreciates it.\n\n--Crush" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Alice K. Turner", "address": "aturner6 at nyc.rr.com" }, "date": "2002-11-02T01:34:09+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Edogawa Ranpo", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Roy said\nInteresting slip you made there; I wonder if alga appreciates it? \n\n\n\nOops! My apologies to Alga. I hope if she gives a hoot one way or the\nother,\nshe appreciates it.\n\n--Crush" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "She does. With some surprise that she never noticed it before.\n\nBTW, the Gnostic primer, the easiest and most available text, spelling out\nall the surviving myths, remains THE GNOSTIC RELIGIONS by Hans Jonas. There\nis, of course, a lot of on-line stuff by now.\n\n-alga" } ] } ] }