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  "thread": {
    "id": 3537,
    "subject": "PEACE: Kate's diary",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2002-11-01T09:43:26+00:00",
    "last": "2002-11-01T09:43:26+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0211-2011@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Roy C. Lackey",
        "address": "rclackey at stic.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-11-01T09:43:26+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) PEACE: Kate's diary",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "mantis wrote:\nThat is not the verbatim of the diary text.  If you prefer, it is the image\nof the \"story behind the veiled text\" that Weer imagines as Kate reads it,\nbut I think it is too close in style to the intrusions of Ghost Kate\ninteracting with Hannah at the end of the banshee tale (where Hannah speaks\nin italics) to be anything else but a ghostly \"story behind the veiled\ntext.\""
        },
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          "text": "Kate never read from the diary; Lois did. Kate *couldn't* have read from the\ndiary for some very good reasons, chief of which is the fact that *the diary\ndidn't exist until Lou Gold wrote it* in the 1950s. Secondly, Kate never\nkept a diary. She couldn't have, because she couldn't read or write. As Weer\ntold Lois, the old Kate was \"illiterate, or nearly so\". (167)\n\nLou Gold claimed that Kate Boyne had \"attended school in Boston, and a nun\ngave it [The Catholic Girl's 7-Year Day Book] to her as some sort of\nprize--she tells about it on the first page\" (189). If Kate had gone to\nschool she wouldn't have been \"illiterate, or nearly so\", and nuns in the\n19th century didn't award prizes to girls who were."
        },
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "The Boston detail is a difference, especially when Weer is so certain.\nOTOH, when teenager Hannah Mills presumably returned with mother and sister\nto the farm and discovered that bandits had been there, had locked up her\ndad and the hired man and maybe done something unspeakable to beloved Kate,\nwell that would understandably put a dampener on the whole trip, perhaps\neven to the point where the trip would not be mentioned by Hannah."
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          "text": "This all presupposes the contents of the forged diary were true. Nothing but\na few biographical facts, gleaned from courthouse records, in the diary were\ntrue--the rest was all the product of Lou Gold's imagination. There was no\ntrip to Boston. Quantrill never came to the Mill farm; there was no buried\ntreasure in Sugar Creek, no moonlight tryst.\n\nGhosts of real people associated with real events is one thing; ghosts of\nreal people who never met and are associated with imaginary events is\nanother.\n\nOr are you suggesting that the fictional account Lou Gold authored in the\n1950s somehow *changed the course of history in the 1860s*? That just\nbecause Gold wrote it that way in his forgery, that Hannah, who died before\nGold ever even heard of her, who had never in her life \"been a hundred miles\noff from that little house\" she was born in (10), had the facts of her life\nchanged, posthumously, so that she *did* go to Boston and Quantrill *did*\ncome to the Mill farm?\n\nIf that is the case, then Quantrill *did* bury his gold in Sugar Creek and\nWeer just didn't find it. And I'm going to buy a shovel. <g>\n\n-Roy"
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