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  "thread": {
    "id": 3541,
    "subject": "PEACE: Kate's choice",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2002-11-02T18:17:26+00:00",
    "last": "2002-11-02T18:17:26+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0211-2028@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-11-02T18:17:26+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) PEACE: Kate's choice",
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          "text": "Roy wrote:\nI take it that we agree that Kate never kept a diary?"
        },
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          "text": "Hmm.  Yes, I think so.  In any event, we agree that Lou Gold forged one!"
        },
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          "text": "Let me see if I understand you correctly. I don't understand your emphasis\non the importance of the tryst, but we agree, I think, that it *was* a\nconsensual sexual encounter, not rape. Whiskey loosened the tongues of the\nseven men and Kate overheard them talking about what they had been doing\ndown by Sugar Creek to get their boots muddy. Later, when one of the men (I\nthink Quantrill himself to have been the least likely of the seven)\nencountered her alone, she took \"him to the haymow, and bribed him with such\ntalk as she knew how to make, and kisses and more. She was not that ugly a\nwoman by moonlight.\" She used sexual bribery in an attempt to pump him for\nmore detailed information than she had overheard earlier about what they had\nburied in the creek. Am I right so far?\n\nWhat was it that so peaked her interest that she was willing to trade sex\nfor information about it, if it wasn't treasure? If it was treasure, then\nwhy is your position (above) \"Q's Gold: not there\"? Wasn't that the whole\npoint of the tryst? Wasn't it to stash his gold that Quantrill ever came\nnear the Mill place in the first place?"
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          "text": "Hmmm, that's interesting.  I'm not certain as to Kate's plotting and/or\ndesires: I am only certain that the event happened (to counter your\ninsistance that it is pure fantasy). I admit that she seems at least\nsemi-consenting, but this takes place in a very coercive environment, and\nin any event, even if she did plot and all that, she would imply or insist\nlater that it was rape.  So her cover story will always be that it was rape.\n\nI mean, Q's men were really scary!  The raid on Lawrence, Kansas was really\nhorrible!  This isn't some sort of \"Indecent Proposal,\" where Robert softy\nRedford will pay a guy a million bucks to romp in the hay with the guy's\nwife: this is a hostage situation where the terrorists are known to have\nexecuted men who had become no longer useful!  Kate's choice at one level,\nat least, is to offer her body to save Mr. Mill and her husband Sean.\n\nWhich is why I think it was Quantrill in the hay.  If Kate is going to make\nsuch a play (for either life or for gold) she should aim for the top.\n\nPoking around on the internet turns up a few more interesting tidbits on\nQuantrill:\n\n1) The raid on Lawrence was on Aug 19, 1863.  The cash part of the loot\ntaken was somewhere around $250,000, according to newspaper reports of the\ntime.  After the raid they wintered in Texas.\n\n2) Q was supposedly secretly married to Sarah \"Kate\" King in 1863, before\nthe raid. Sarah was around 15 years old and her parents disapproved of her\nmarrying so young, hence the need for secrecy.\n\n3) Sarah King also went by the name of \"Kate Clarke\" (Q's mother's maiden\nname was Clarke).\n\n4) Q was shot in 1865 and died of the wounds.  After a deathbed conversion\nto Catholicism, he left $800 for his burial, with the remainder to be sent\nto Kate King/Clarke.  Q was buried in old Portland Catholic Cemetary at\nLouisville, Kentucky.  The priest sent the remaining $500 to Kate\nKing/Clarke.\n\n5) Q had some kind of sex appeal.  The raid on Lawrence was foreshadowed by\nwomen being imprisioned for helping Q; later a town-woman who was riding\naround during the raid was seen as either a heroine or a traitoress; Sarah\n\"Kate\" King/Clarke was said to ride with the gang at times.\n\nWell now!  That whole \"call me Kate\" thing raises all sorts of weird echos\nwith the text of 1863 events in PEACE.  As does the \"secret marriage\" at\naround the time of the raid, and several other items that I won't belabor\nsince it will take us off the immediate track.\n\n=mantis="
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